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The result was no consensus. Strong arguments on both sides, with no rough consensus.
Owen×☎ 13:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of
WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Additionally
WP:NOTDATABASE and
WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per
WP:RS.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 07:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete simply due to failing
WP:LISTN.
WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content.
Dmoore5556 (
talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SpacedFarmer: You're practically speaking very subjectively when you state that this is another case of something to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans, especially without accompanying evidence to backup such a general statement. It almost sounds like your your saying that something like this shouldn't be around because you personally don't care, heard much of, or understand or have much reverence college football or its history and background. Just because it may not personally appeal to you doesn't instantly mean that there's otherwise, little merit in something like this.
BornonJune8 (
talk) 11:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
When I said appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans, I meant this list, not the sport as a whole. Did you pay attention to that? Of course not. As an non-American, we all know how popular the sport is to you Americans.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 07:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
NB: This user (BornonJune8) has a history of exclusively targeting my AfD with a keep vote, despite how weak they are. This was because I nominated one of his article for AfD.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 07:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Did you pay attention to that? Of course not. Please keep it civil.
Zanahary (
talk) 09:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: Sources dating back to the 1950s on television are being added at this very moment. And more will soon come to help bolster the
WP:RS needs.
BornonJune8 (
talk) 10:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source is about an announcment of an analyst, the other is an announcment of TV coverage.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 14:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 05:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
As of now, there are at least 70 different references, and almost 60 just recently added in regards to not only CBS' earliest television coverage of the Orange Bowl, but their coverage in the 1990s. There also are now references/sources that have been added for NBC's television coverage from the 1960s on through the early 1990s and Fox's coverage during the late 2000s. Sources for ABC's during the late '90s and first portion of the 2000s and ESPN's coverage from the 2010s on through the present day just need to added as well as sources for the radio coverage.
BornonJune8 (
talk) 9:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
I had a check: some focuses heavily on the games with the coverage being a side piece, some are
WP:PRIMARY, some are announcments or talk about the announcers, some are 404. Like Wikipedia, you know that IMDB does not count as a reliable source.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 10:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. This list was almost entirely unsourced when it was nominated at AfD. In just a couple days of effort, some 70 sources (of varying quality) have been added. Combine the ongoing sourcing effort with the fact that this was for nearly a century one of the big three college football games (Rose, Orange, Sugar), I lean to keeping.
Cbl62 (
talk) 19:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting so that added sources can be further reviewed. Also, please no personal comments about contributors and accusations about motivations that are obviously unsupported. Focus on policy, sources and notability. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 05:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. Keep or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
CycloneYoristalk! 04:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment I have reviewed the sources and I'll chalk it up to this, IMDb is not a reliable source, press releases are
WP:ROUTINE mentions,
WP:NYPOST, and finally, there are some sources that are reliable, but do not provide the significant coverage that are necessary to sustain such a grouping. Therefore, it is within the topic of
WP:LISTN, that my !vote remains.
Conyo14 (
talk) 07:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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