Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Grand_Theft_Auto_III_characters References

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The result was Manual redirect to the relevant articles.. (non-admin closure) b uidh e 00:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC) reply

List of Grand Theft Auto III characters

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All of these articles lack any reliable sources that indicate notability. They are essentially what WP:VGSCOPE #6 is referring to: lists of characters lacking secondary sources. They have all been boldly redirected in the past, but restored by other users without discussion. I think it's time to put these to bed. I am also nominated the following related pages for the same reason:

– Rhain ☔ 15:37, 12 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. – Rhain ☔ 15:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. – Rhain ☔ 15:42, 12 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Keep: The basis for removing these is only on the lack of citations. Far better to try to remedy this problem, than to delete the articles. They should only be deleted if no amount of editing work can bring them to a standard that is acceptable. GUtt01 ( talk) 16:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC) reply

The articles also fail the first point raised by WP:VGSCOPE #6: that they must be "written in an out-of-universe style with a focus on their concept, creation, and reception". I have tried to remedy this problem—I researched and rewrote the main GTA III and Vice City articles, for instance—but the content simply lacks sources, and I believe that no amount of editing work will bring them to an acceptable standard. I would love to be proven wrong. – Rhain ☔ 17:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Comment: Would List of Grand Theft Auto V characters have any issues with it, possibly? GUtt01 ( talk) 15:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC) reply

I considered adding it to the list, even as a brief mention, but decided against it as I felt it would split the discussion too much. It's considerably more fleshed out than the other lists, and there's far better potential for sources. If anything, I think it should be reviewed separately. – Rhain ☔ 15:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Delete all. The nominator correctly notes the lack of available reliable sources (not in regards to the use in the current revisions, rather the availability in general) to demonstrate the necessity of separate character lists for these games. A (quick) WP:BEFORE from my side brought up little useful material. If there are character traits that absolutely have to be known to understand the plots of the respective games, they can be incorporated into the respective plot sections instead (of course within the bounds of our 700-word limit). IceWelder [ ✉] 22:14, 12 April 2020 (UTC) reply
Delete All. There are no sources that would help these masses of fancruft pass WP:LISTN, and they fail WP:PLOT as they consist practically entirely of in-universe information. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 03:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC) reply
Delete all. No notability independent of the games the characters appear in ( WP:INHERIT). soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 11:37, 13 April 2020 (UTC) reply
Redirect all to their respective articles. No significant coverage of these lists cannot currently be found and all the infomation is just plot infomation from the game. However, given when these games were released most coverage will be found in old magazines that are likely hard to access so it is better to redirect than delete as an editor might be able to recreate the article in the future whilst establishing notablity for WP:LISTN. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 22:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC) reply
Redirect all to their respective articles per Spy-cicle. Redirects are cheap, and there's no downside to redirecting them for now in case someone identifies sources (which would likely be easy, as the GTA games are very popular and have generated a lot of independent coverage) and wanted to make the improvements. Plus, a lot of individual search terms currently redirect to these pages, so redirecting them somewhere would be less disruptive than having a bunch of search term redirect to dead pages. (Also, because all of these lists were nominated in one bunch, it's difficult to make a case for each one individually. Redirecting them would make that unnecessary.) — Hunter Kahn 12:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC) reply
I've also added Lists of Grand Theft Auto characters to the nomination, as the deletion of the others would render it a useless disambiguation with only one article remaining. – Rhain ☔ 13:59, 17 April 2020 (UTC) reply

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