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The result was delete. Sandstein 12:55, 6 February 2020 (UTC) reply

Lesa Wilson

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Well, this was prodded but her publicist removed it. Fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:NACTOR, WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:GNG. It was somewhat refreshing to see her publicist admit editing the article, but fitting, as their is no notability here. John from Idegon ( talk) 11:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC) reply

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• Weak Delete: She may soon become notable as an actress, but, at the moment, she just hasn't done enough work to pass the actress notability standards. I don't think that reaching the semi-finals of American Idol is, in and of itself, particularly notable either. If others can find more information about her music career, or if others deem her modelling career to be notable (I don't have any opinion about this), I'll be happy to reconsider my vote. Dflaw4 ( talk) 14:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete non-notable state level beauty queen. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - We have a publicist's admission that the article is part of a promotional effort. Good luck to Ms. Wilson as she attempts to break into acting, but so far she has non-notable beauty pageants, low-ranking competition appearances, and minor supporting roles that are not enough for Wikipedia's various notability rules for actors, musicians, and celebrities. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 20:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC) reply
• Comment: There seems to have been an editing war on the page itself between the subject's publicist and the nominator. There was a "filmography" section which the nominator deleted—this section may affect the opinions of other voters, so I would suggest checking the old edit as well. Personally, I still believe that the subject falls short of the acting standards, but not by much. Dflaw4 ( talk) 00:24, 31 January 2020 (UTC) reply

• Comment: To clarify, I was not suggesting that either the publicist or the nominator were in the wrong, but was simply encouraging others to fully apprise themselves of the subject's acting credits. Thanks, Dflaw4 ( talk) 00:46, 31 January 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete. Fails WP:GNG, as well as WP:NACTOR etc. The publicist's promotional efforts extend to a smear campaign against John from Idegon which includes a hint of legal threat, so if there was any discretion to be applied here, I'd not exercise it in Wilson's favour. But as far as I can see, this is actually a clearcut fail. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:41, 31 January 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Fails notability criteria, WP:GNG. ZettaComposer ( talk) 01:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Per Dflaw4. Barely anything about her. Fails WP:GNG. _SUPER ^ASTIG 06:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete I was unable to find any significant coverage of this person in independent, reliable sources. Current references include the website of the beauty pageant, the website of the singing competition, and a school's alumni list. None of those are independent. There is also a passing mention in the Washington Post but that is not significant coverage. I searched for something more substantive and was not successful. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:35, 1 February 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Others have analyzed the quality of the sources, and I must agree. Let's go through the claims for notability. Miss USA is not the same as Miss America, which would create automatic notability for the winner and two runners-up. Likewise, runner-up in American Idol can be a start to notability, if the singer tours and performs or records, and that were documents in reliable sources, which is not present here. Acting in a YouTube video or web series doesn't come close to notability because everybody including me has done it. None of the other professional activities has been in any way notable, as we define it. This is not a judgement on the subject's singing or acting ability, nor a prediction about future fame. She's just not famous enough. We are a charity, not a free web host for people, and in 2020 everybody should know that. Bearian ( talk) 20:54, 3 February 2020 (UTC) reply
• Comment: Hi everyone. Lesa Wilson here, the subject of this page and discussion. If you are all against the page being updated to reflect the current information regarding my work, please delete it as soon as possible. It's rendering outdated information in google search results. Someone created this page when I was on American Idol, then updated it with information from Miss USA in 2006 when I was originally deemed worthy of wikipedia status. Regardless of my current level of "fame" or "relevance" as you speak of in this chat, the page is still outdated. My publicist was simply updating the information to be current. We didn't realize it was so offensive for someone on my team to contribute here because it's a site that can be edited by anyone. I'm no wiki expert, but I don't see why that would cause such a big discussion. However, if the argument is relevancy, then perhaps you should delete all the wiki pages that are associated with former beauty queens and reality tv show contestants so that you're staying in accordance with the wikipedia relevancy standard as described in this chat. Most of the women I competed with have gone on to be stay at home mothers, yet they still have wikipedia pages. Additionally, to address the previous poster's comments, please recheck your facts as to the relevancy of Miss USA. It's the largest pageant in the United States and is a worldwide organization that continues on to Miss Universe. Miss America is a much smaller organization with far less reach or prestige. As for the comments about my acting work, I've not acted in a YouTube series. I've worked as a cast member in major motion pictures and in productions that are on network television. Once again, please recheck your facts before making such dismissive statements about my body of work. Thank you all for your time. I trust that this will be resolved quickly. LesaWilson ( talk) 07:39, 5 February 2020 (UTC) reply

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