- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus and no indication any further input is forthcoming Star Mississippi 02:26, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Lebanese Aramaic
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Firstly, see discussion on article talk page. Fails WP:GNG. Page mostly discusses and gives examples of Syriac language used in Lebanon. The intended topic of the article is an Aramaic language (probably Western) spoken (and now extint) in Lebanon in earlier times. From my knowledge, this language/dialect is not documented, thus not discussed in Aramaic studies. Few (none?) WP:RS listed discusses this "Lebanese Aramaic" or "Lebanese Syriac" or "Surien" language. Much is based on this article, which is far from WP:RS. Shmayo ( talk) 19:55, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Lebanon, and Syria. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: I do not see a point in deleting an article about a real language. As discussed in the talk page the article is mainly about Lebanese Aramaic itself but does mention Classical Syriac, as do many of the other Aramaic language pages, as this was the written language of colloquial Aramaic. There are various sources that discuss the specific Aramaic language of Lebanon which are cited throughout the article. As for Amine's source, at most it should be removed and replaced with a more reliable source if deemed unreliable rather than deleting the entire article as a whole. Red Phoenician ( talk) 19:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- The Lebanese Aramaic page is integral to Lebanon's history and present, as the current spoken Lebanese is a continuation of Surien, and is not extinct. Modern Lebanese is an evolution of this language, and reducing it to just Arabic or even Lebanese Arabic overlooks the country's diverse and long history, whether Maronite or not. While Arabic influenced Lebanese, it didn't erase this language to replace it with Arabic entirely. Preserve accurate history; don't delete pages based on a misinformed narrative. Maclearie ( talk) 23:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- @ Red Phoenician: Amine's articles is most definitely not a reliable source, and now would be the time to add one. Any reliable sources discussing anything other than Syriac-Aramaic are merely just mentioning that an Aramaic language other than Syriac was probably spoken in the area. The other Aramaic languages that you are referring to are discussed (and termed) in Aramaic studies.
- @ Maclearie: I am not denying the Aramaic (Syriac or other) influence of Lebanese Arabic, but that is not a factor here. Let's discuss this here, not the roots of Lebanese Arabic. Shmayo ( talk) 09:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 01:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.