- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 14:20, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
John Palino
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WP:BLP of a person notable primarily as a non-winning candidate for mayor, which was incorrectly raised as an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reynold Macpherson. As always, unsuccessful candidates for political office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates -- he has to win the election to be deemed notable as a politician, and otherwise gets a Wikipedia article only if he can be demonstrated and properly sourced as already having preexisting notability for some other reason besides the candidacy itself. But this demonstrates no evidence of that; it's referenced entirely to the WP:ROUTINE campaign-specific coverage that every candidate in every election could always show, not to any coverage in any context that might count as a notability claim. The first discussion, it should be noted, resulted in his name being redirected to the election article — where it stayed for three years, until being recreated in 2016 without actually demonstrating a stronger case for standalone notability than he had the first time. So reverting back to a (protected?) redirect would also be an acceptable alternative to deletion. Bearcat ( talk) 19:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep As I stated on the article's talk page, subsequent to the 2013 election, Palino received a lot of attention over the Len Brown affair. I suggest that brought him over the general notability threshold. Schwede 66 20:37, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- This article contains almost no substantive content about him actually having any significant role in "the Len Brown affair" — it just asserts that he was questioned about it at his campaign launch, and then wanders off to other topics without saying even close to enough to make that a notability claim in its own right. Bearcat ( talk) 20:51, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 05:53, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete coverage seems limited to his mayoral campaign and while I accept that he was covered by most major local newsmedia, there seems to be insufficient substance to warrant an article. Maybe merge any useful information into Auckland mayoral election, 2016 and Auckland mayoral election, 2013 NealeFamily ( talk) 09:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Doesn't meet criteria for WP:NPOL and not enough coverage for WP:BLP. Ajf773 ( talk) 19:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Neutral This person has run for the Auckland City Mayoralty twice, and (prior to this) was the star of a New Zealand TV show. In my opinion, there seems to be no question that he is sufficiently 'notable' to warrant a Wikipedia page. Ross Finlayson ( talk) 06:56, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Çomment The TV series seems to be even less notable failing
WP:DEPTH- all I can find is mention by the production company and the broadcaster of its existence. There is nothing at this stage that I can find the causes the article to cross the threshholds for
WP:ANYBIO,
WP:ENT, and
WP:POLITICIAN
NealeFamily (
talk) 08:14, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- I remember watching his TV show ("The Kitchen Job") a few years ago. But even ignoring the TV show, do you not think that his two (serious) runs for the Auckland Mayoralty makes him notable?
Ross Finlayson (
talk) 08:29, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- No, Wikipedia does not deem unsuccessful candidates for office notable just for being candidates. It's not our role to judge whether the candidacy was "serious" or not — our role begins and ends at covering the holders of notable political offices, not unelected candidates for them, so unsuccessful candidates for office are ordinarily notable enough for articles only if they were already notable enough for articles for some other reason besides being candidates. And it doesn't matter whether you remember watching his TV show or not, either: it matters whether the show got
reliable source coverage in media or not.
Bearcat (
talk) 20:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, on reflection I think you're right. I haven't seen him in the news at all since he last ran for mayor. Ross Finlayson ( talk) 03:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- No, Wikipedia does not deem unsuccessful candidates for office notable just for being candidates. It's not our role to judge whether the candidacy was "serious" or not — our role begins and ends at covering the holders of notable political offices, not unelected candidates for them, so unsuccessful candidates for office are ordinarily notable enough for articles only if they were already notable enough for articles for some other reason besides being candidates. And it doesn't matter whether you remember watching his TV show or not, either: it matters whether the show got
reliable source coverage in media or not.
Bearcat (
talk) 20:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- I remember watching his TV show ("The Kitchen Job") a few years ago. But even ignoring the TV show, do you not think that his two (serious) runs for the Auckland Mayoralty makes him notable?
Ross Finlayson (
talk) 08:29, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- I changed my opinion to "Neutral" Ross Finlayson ( talk) 06:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- Çomment The TV series seems to be even less notable failing
WP:DEPTH- all I can find is mention by the production company and the broadcaster of its existence. There is nothing at this stage that I can find the causes the article to cross the threshholds for
WP:ANYBIO,
WP:ENT, and
WP:POLITICIAN
NealeFamily (
talk) 08:14, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.