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The result was delete-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:26, 27 September 2018 (UTC) reply

Joe DiRosa

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Not apparently notable apart from his company, which may not be notable either. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 03:15, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:47, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:47, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
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I checked the pages for New York Artist Series and Joe DiRosa and the only history of me making and edits to those pre-existing pages was while I was trying to clean up the presentation.. The New York Artist Series page has been around since 2009 and none of the edits or page creation had anything to do with me. The Joe DiRosa page has been around since before that I believe but apparently from the records someone recreated it back in 2016.. I'm not sure what happened there .. The changes i made were cosmetic in nature and since this is my public image you have posted on here I don't see the problems since the pages were not done up to today's wiki standards.. Now perhaps I should have had a friend make the edits but FunPlusSmart seems to be trying to be vindictive which is definitely against wiki policy.
Oh 3rd thing is I went to go look at the draft for Onox, Inc. and saw a Create Page button instead of the submit article button.. I thought wiki upgraded my account to be able to edit so i made the page and removed the draft.. Once it was pointed out to me that the page shouldnt have been made I returned to the draft version so it could be authorized by whoever does that in the wiki community. For some reason I seem to be under attack.. For some reason this guy has this conspiracy theory which the history of these articles he is attacking proves isnt true. Joedirosa ( talk) 09:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Plus I read this comments on the other page and they are ludicrous.. You think i created an account that was called CertainlyHandsome .. Come on.. there have been edits on these pages over 10 years .. I have had people remove all sorts of references, change the contents and I haven't paid attention. Now I go in and just try and clean up the mess its become and you guys are having a heart attack. I didnt even add information I just cleaned up the structure. I'll get someone to post a whole new set of references, links, and information. Just the other day someone removed an article that was originally published on Yahoo as a reference since the company shut down that part of it's editorial. Just because an article was removed from the web after 10 years doesn't mean it wasnt published. Some how this became a witch hunt. Joedirosa ( talk) 09:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Fair enough. Since I don't have access to IP information for registered accounts, I withdraw my accusation that these different accounts represent the same individual editor. I still think that the page is not notable enough, but as I said I'm glad to have it become a redirect, which would mean people would still be able to learn about you and your company if they looked you up by name on Wikipedia. — Lawrence King ( talk) 20:15, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or redirect to the subject's company as before, he fails WP:GNG. Theroadislong ( talk) 09:50, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete the coverage cited by the article covers the subject's company, and only makes passing mention of the subject himself. Per WP:NOTINHERITED, notability is not always inheritable.-- SamHolt6 ( talk) 14:41, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect I had quite an ugly experience with Joedirosa on the COI noticeboard btw. funplussmart ( talk) 22:01, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Do Not Delete There are certainly other references which can be added to justify notability but I have to find someone else to do them. I'm not getting involved with the page myself. Joedirosa ( talk) 22:31, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Please read Wikipedia:Meat puppetry before doing that! Theroadislong ( talk) 22:41, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
@ Theroadislong: Wrong link! This is the correct one: WP:MEAT.
For the purposes of this discussion you don't need to add them to the article, just list them here. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 23:10, 20 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Do Not Delete

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/celebs-toss-paunch-lines-flab-wars-article-1.559629 https://www.youtube.com/user/NewYorkArtistSeries/videos ( Shot over 100 Fashion Week Videos, Shot videos feat. Artist David Girabaldi w/ 300k+ views, Video of the Miracle on the Hudson Crash 100k+ Views) https://bbook.com/tag/joe-dirosa/ ( 2 Articles Blackbook Magazine) http://www.grubstreet.com/2008/10/limelight_still_for_rent.html https://wikibionetworth.org/Joe_DiRosa_net_worth http://berksluxury.com/?s=Joe+DiRosa (Publisher, Editor BerksLuxury.com) https://www.villagevoice.com/2008/08/26/limelight-club-to-re-enter-the-limelight/ https://www.law360.com/articles/521135/artist-series-offers-350m-cash-for-fuse-tv https://www.bloomberg.com/.../artist-series-makes-35o-million-cash-offer-for-fuse-tv https://www.rbr.com/artist-series-makes-350m-offer-for-fuse-tv/ https://www.pressreader.com/uae/the-national-news-business/20140324/281702612667228 https://observer.com/2009/02/holy-headache-finding-limelights-next-act/ https://observer.com/2008/10/former-limelight-now-priced-up-to-60-m/ http://fashionweekvideos.com/joe_dirosa/2007/new_york/september/new_york_fashion_week_september_2007.htm https://ny.eater.com/2008/8/26/6787543/eaterwire-the-lafrieda-black-label-dohings-the-future-of-limelight

Plus If i go into archive.org I can get you 3,000+ pieces of content I posted. Interviews with: Fashion Interviews Helena Fredriksson House of Diehl

Music Interviews Bebe Buell Interview Emily Lazar Paul Holmes DJ Jackie Christie Sofi Bonde DJ Christopher Lawrence Interview DJ Tiesto Interview Markus Schulz

Film & TV Interviews Laurence Kaldor Jayce Bartok Larry Turman Jaclyn DeSantis Robert Ackerman Tom Fontana

Artist Interviews Ernest Rosenberg Jasun Martz Keith Green

Plus I can probably find the 2 articles which were written on Yahoo which were deleted when they shut down their Voices section which i copied to a wix page so I wouldnt lose them. Probably a bunch more stuff too i can find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joedirosa ( talk • contribs) 06:52, 21 September 2018 (UTC) Joedirosa ( talk) 07:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC) reply

NONE of these sources are in-depth coverage, most are passing mentions at best, Youtube can't be used, Wikia sites can't be used, inyterviews are no good and press releases are not suitable either. Theroadislong ( talk) 09:11, 21 September 2018 (UTC) reply

There are no press releases cited in those links. Many of the articles are more than a mention, as a matter of fact most are centered on or quote me. There was one wiki goof page cited. I've gone through the articles you guys have created and many of them aren't as relevant as any of these. The Artist Series websites were published for over 12 years with close to 20 million total visitors. They have been deactivated due to the financial strain of publishing when it wasn't a core business. I still own them all and many you don't see. Constructive comments are appreciated. Joedirosa ( talk) 10:02, 21 September 2018 (UTC) reply

I'm not going to go through a long list like that in hopes that one of those turns out to be a usable source. If you'd like to prune that back to just the ones that meet the criteria in WP:GNG, I'll take a look at them. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 11:48, 21 September 2018 (UTC) reply
I hit a couple of them, and they are really minor: Village voice: "Well, now Steve Lewis—who was deported Limelight owner Peter Gatien’s right-eye man—interviews someone named Joe Dirosa, who states that he has partnered with Ashkenazy to exclusively lease out the joint—but not as a club!". Observer: DiRosa not mentioned at all. Berksluxury: a real estate and luxury products site with an article on mortgages by DiRosa. Eater: a sentence, almost: "Steve Lewis reports that the space that held the club Limelight (and The Avalon) will finally be in use again, but not as a club. Joe Dirosa will now be renting it out:". All in all, a junkpile of non-RS sources and passing mentions. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 19:33, 21 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Do Not Delete The NY Post NY Daily News, Village Voice, Black Book Magazine, Observer (You didnt read either article cause I am mentioned in both), The National News, Law360, Bloomberg, Grub Street and Eater are not reliable sources. This guy is on a witch hunt. His comments are unreliable for this topic. BerksLuxury.com is a Luxury Lifestyle online magazine which pushes no products for sale with over 10 articles written by me on luxury lifestyle items, restaurants, and real estate. How is this an unbiased opinion? Joedirosa ( talk) 20:06, 21 September 2018 (UTC) reply
That's nice, except for the fact that the registered owner of berksluxury.com is Joe DiRosa. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 01:33, 22 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Do Not Delete I also noticed that not one person decided to take any of these articles and add them to the page. So essentially none of you are being unbiased at all. Joedirosa ( talk) 20:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Are you suggesting that BerksLuxury.com a Luxury Lifestyle online magazine with over 10 articles written by you is an independent source??? Theroadislong ( talk) 20:13, 21 September 2018 (UTC) reply
See Whois above. Joe DiRosa is the owner of Berksluxury. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 01:26, 22 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Joe DiRosa, you can only !vote once. I have struck your second, third and fourth !votes above. Also, here is a tip for you. It very rarely works when the article subject badgers the volunteer editors of Wikipedia to keep an article. Clear arguments in moderation are fine, but multiple !votes, suggesting that you will use meatpuppetry to fix things, claiming you are really famous and the like are not. I'm not sure who added the section headers to the AFD, but I removed them for clarity. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 21:49, 21 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete My search produced no evidence of notabilty and the sources listed above are clearly insufficient. The subject of the article really ought to step aside, and let uninvolved editors evaluate the situation. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:35, 22 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Sources are few and lack intellectual independence. Guy ( Help!) 08:28, 22 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom. This is a good example of why we discourage WP:autobiography – it's probably unpleasant for Mr. DiRosa to be told that he does not appear to meet our notability requirements, but I can find no evidence that he does. All the hits on GBooks seem to be for the New Orleans politician of the same name. In the normal way, I'd suggest redirecting this to his company, New York Artist Series, but it seems unlikely that that can be shown to be notable either. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 10:58, 22 September 2018 (UTC) reply
@ Joedirosa: it has been semi-referred to above, but let me link WP:PRIMARY and Wikipedia:Independent. To demonstrate the notability of a subject, a source must be reliable and indepandant of the subject in question. For this reason, the article linked above (written by you about a company you founded) is not independent by any metric.-- SamHolt6 ( talk) 03:12, 23 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I wasnt trying to demonstrate notability. There were a specific line of events which were mentioned and they deleted reference to the article. Then proceeded to delete the reference to the facts saying there was no reference. Joedirosa ( talk) 03:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete not notable enough. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 12:06, 23 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom and fails WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 15:35, 23 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Subtract the article subect's keep !vote and you have almost have snow delete:10 deletes and one redirect. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 18:19, 23 September 2018 (UTC) reply
True, except that three of the "delete" votes (mine, Theroadislong, and Justlettersandnumbers) were actually "delete or redirect". — Lawrence King ( talk) 21:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Joedirosa and his socks have been indefed by a CheckUser. funplussmart ( talk) 00:56, 24 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete not even close to being a notable person. Wikipedia is not a place for self promotion, but sadly is being misused as such by some. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC) reply
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