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The result was delete. A Train ^talk 12:09, 23 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Joan Gramatte

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Neither of the NYTimes articles even mention her. The magazine is notable. She isn't editor in chief , but art director DGG ( talk ) 03:12, 7 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Weak delete the press such as this mentions her in a role that does not confer notability.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:32, 10 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Cohd2 She was co-founder of both companies, one being a graphic design company, and at the time that was not common for a woman in magazines nor graphics in the country. It was her money (not just the $500 cash) including the income from Nuestro Graphico (that she quit her job to form) the one-woman graphics company that supported Dan Lopez and the research that was done to get the founding mentioned in the NUESTRO article. It was her prize-winning skills as an art director that helped prove the viability of the concept. He had the business acumen and she had the publishing and design know-how to present the perfect package to investors. Joan Gramatte is mentioned in the NY Times as giving the first infusion of cash (but it does not mention the fact that she quit her job too and worked on after Lopez quit his job in order to support the project): Fowler, Elizabeth M. "Management; Dreamer With Sound Idea Aided by U.S." New York Times. August 5, 1977.

• Also, some awards during this time period now added.

ALSO, I have tried to re-add an Associated Press photo of the top five edit staff, includes Joan Gramatte, and Wiki won't let me do this. I just thought I could delete my first upload of the image and reload a larger image tried to make the photo into a thumbnail after I had thought I had successfully posted and now Wiki won't let me upload the larger image (that I own) that I had posted earlier. Now neither size of the image exists.

• Delete Unfortunately, neither the current article after Cohd2's additions nor searches disclose anything like the requirements of WP:GNG. The New York Times article, for example, merely mentions the article subject in passing in a parenthetical phrase. She may well have been an early pioneer in the American graphic design industry, but there aren't verifiable sources to document it. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:52, 15 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 21:29, 21 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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