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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 00:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC) reply

James Morton (baker)

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Created by (possibly) someone who may have been the article subject himself or related to this person. Gained notoriety for appearing on The Great British Bake Off (series 3). Sure, he wrote cookbooks, and he reappeared once in a GBBO special, but do they make this person notable outside the series? I doubt that his (non-notable) medical career makes him meet the WP:GNG guideline or makes WP:BLP1E inapplicable. Matter was previously discussed in one past merger discussion and one discussion after merger/redirection was reverted. Regardless of notability, I'm not confident that the standalone article can hold on its own any longer. Should be (re-)redirected to List of The Great British Bake Off finalists (series 1–7)#James Morton, whose content I derived took from the article with some improvements. George Ho ( talk) 15:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC) reply

  1. Reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event.
  2. The person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual.
  3. The event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented.
I don't think this subject meets any of these conditions, let alone all three. pburka ( talk) 16:54, 17 February 2024 (UTC) reply
How about WP:BIO1E then? George Ho ( talk) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC) reply
That's an even less restrictive guideline. Which do you consider to be the 1E: his first GBBO, his second GBBO, or his career as an author? pburka ( talk) 18:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC) reply
His GBBO debut, i.e. the third series, which aired in the US as the fifth season on PBS. His GBBO reappearance hasn't made much of an impact, and his career as a cookbook author is to me just resume-building. George Ho ( talk) 21:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC) reply

  • @ Pburka: What's your stance on this article so far? -- George Ho ( talk) 23:47, 24 February 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't have one. pburka ( talk) 00:15, 25 February 2024 (UTC) reply
    What about my answer to your 1E question then? George Ho ( talk) 04:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC) reply
    I still don't think that BLP1E is applicable, since the subject had a substantial and well documented role in GBBO, and isn't a low-profile individual (he's a published author). Again, I have no position on the subject's notability, except that BLP1E isn't applicable. Any arguments to delete this page on those grounds are invalid. pburka ( talk) 22:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, a prolific and award winning author, a newspaper columnist, his television appearances, his brewing career, etc., seems to pass muster (and GNG). Randy Kryn ( talk) 12:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, Subject looks notable and renowned to me. There appears to be quality relevant sources online about him. Meets the GNG requirements. Mevoelo ( talk) 17:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC) reply
  • keep per above two editors-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 17:02, 25 February 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Would seem to have achieved notability as an author in addition to his TV appearances. Dunarc ( talk) 23:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC) reply
  • George Ho, did you WP:MERGE content from James Morton (baker) to another page? If so, please add {{ merged-to|destination page name|date}} to Talk:James Morton (baker). Once you copy content from a page, we can't delete the original article for license/copyright reasons. (We could redirect the original article, however.) WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC) reply
    I really wish. I just derived content months before the bold redirect by another editor: diff of derivation (April 2021); diff of redirect (October 2021). George Ho ( talk) 06:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC) reply
    If your derivation constitutes a Derivative work, then we can't delete the source article. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 19:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC) reply
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