- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. However, this should not stop others from AFDing this article in future. (non-admin closure) ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Jaban al-Kurdi
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There is clearly a lack of a reliable source on this person's existence. The first time I checked, most sources were in Turkish and from news sites. (I have went into detail in the unreliability of these "news site" sources on this page's talk page.) Al-Isabah fi tamyiz al Sahabah was listed as a source but not properly cited (without page numbers), which makes me assume that it was added on the basis of another modern day article claiming that this person was listed in this publication. But there is another problem: According to this book's own Wikipedia page, Al-Isabah fi tamyiz al Sahabah was created in the 15th century but only got published in the 19th century. So, none of the sources are enough on whether this person really existed. Since 2008, several users casted doubt on this man's existence on the talk page and questioned the reliability of the sources, while many sources were also removed due to unreliability. Ayıntaplı ( talk) 19:52, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator: Just as I nominated this article, new sources were added by @ SalamAlayka:, and as per the discussion on this page, the new sources are much more credible, so I believe this page can be improved instead of getting deleted. Ayıntaplı ( talk) 15:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2022 July 26. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 20:18, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Islam. Shellwood ( talk) 20:22, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete — There's not much about this figure, let alone whether he actually existed. Semsûrî ( talk) 20:25, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep — He is mentioned in the works of Abu Nu'aym al-Isfahani, Ibn al-Athir, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani and Ibn Nuqtah. For more information see this website. SalamAlayka ( talk) 20:38, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
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Semsûrî: I added the exact sections of the book in which this information can be found.
SalamAlayka (
talk) 20:47, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Template:cite book should be used and paging should be cleaned up for verification. It is not helpful for the reader when the pages are given as "540/1" and so on. If its volume 540, page 1, that should be mentioned in the template. Semsûrî ( talk) 20:54, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ Ayıntaplı: Yes, I am quite familiar with Jaban al-Kurdi being a genuine companion, but since Islamic history is not a topic which I am experienced with and my Arabic is not the best, I haven't really been contributing to making the article better. Perhaps, an editor that is familiar with this topic can help improve the page? SalamAlayka ( talk) 14:22, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems notable
http://www.nudempress.com/haber/ilk-kurt-sahabi-caban-el-kurdi-726.html Check out
https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caban%C3%AA_Kurd%C3%AE
CT55555 (
talk) 02:29, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- While I changed my mind on this matter, sources such as the link you provided and the sources found in the article's Kurdish version were the main problem, because most were not reliable and from news sources, and those from classical works weren't properly cited, so I had doubts on whether this person was really mentioned, but SalamAlayka cleared the confusion. Ayıntaplı ( talk) 15:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- I checked the two classical sources, and both list him as Jaban Abu Maymun, which is the name he is listed under on the Arabic Wikipedia. They also make no mention of him being Kurdish. The article is certainly a keep, but it seems it my be more appropriate to remove the Kurdish tag and change the name to Jaban Abu Maymun and replace the "al Kurdi" suffix with Abu Maymun, unless the ethnicity and name can be proven by a reliable source. Chagropango ( talk) 07:42, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Merge Jaban al-Kurdi is purported to be one of the first ethnic Kurds to convert to Islam. However, it is mentioned by @ Chagropango that Jaban al-Kurdi possibly isn't of Kurdish ethnicity. If his ethnicity can be confirmed, I suggest a merger with Spread of Islam among Kurds. ElderZamzam ( talk) 13:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 14:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment As I see it, the original nominator has withdrawn their nomination (at the top of the comments, and thus not easily visible). While I have no opinion on the article personally, I thought (still learning the policy) a withdrawal would result in a technical keep? -- LordPeterII ( talk) 09:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
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