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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:46, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Huvy Elisha

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Promotional article--even including prices--for not yet notable artist. Fails WP:CREATIVE--no works in permanent collections, no extensive critical works about her. DGG ( talk ) 04:40, 23 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. AllyD ( talk) 08:47, 23 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. AllyD ( talk) 08:47, 23 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This article needs improvement. Politekid ( talk) 11:59, 23 February 2017 (UTC) Politekid has been blocked as a sockpuppet. reply
  • Weak Keep Prices are actually a useful guide to notability in artists, DGG. Many artists who end up here have big oils offered at $hundreds or a couple of thousand on the web. $63K at auction suggests notability, ghastly though the painting looks. No doubt if we could read Hebrew far more would be available (though copyvio might also be revealed). Being a hard-core Ultra-Orthodox settler artist adds a certain interest too - there probably aren't too many of those. The tone needs calming, certainly. Naff top-selling artists like Jack Vettriano belong in WP too. What if Trump relations decide to buy one? Johnbod ( talk) 13:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Doyou think the subject here is of equal notability ? DGG ( talk ) 00:46, 26 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Equal to what? To Vetriano, certainly not, but he gets over 5k views per month, & is from an English-speaking country. She doesn't need to be - we have numerous other "naff" artists. Johnbod ( talk) 04:16, 26 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete does not pass any of our actual criteria for artist notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:25, 25 February 2017 (UTC) reply
It would need a search in Hebrew to really establish if that is the case. Johnbod ( talk) 19:31, 25 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Prices - deleted. Huvi is one of the most sucessful Israeli artists. She is unique also for being one of the few jewish religious artists. She is 89 years old and holds a dergee of Central Saint Martins College of Arts and Design. Article also mentions Nicholas Forrest's opinion on her works. I.bel
  • Delete Age and education are not criteria for inclusion. Sources are required. Google books has one source, and the web offers up nothing substantial. Indeed, at 89 there should be very significant sources. Re prices, lots of non-notable painters sell paintings for lots of money. Have you seen the pictures of Trump's condo, or Michael Jackson's house? Expensive non-notable painting abounds. 104.163.152.194 ( talk) 22:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Are you familiar with Jewish ultra-orthodox world? Women don't speak in public, etc. It is a very different way of life. That is why she doesn't have a lot of publications. However, she is a talented a succesfull artist. Do all articles about artists have a lot of sources? I.bel
I.bel, Someone's religious background, gender or socio-economic status are not criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. Zero import for inclusion/deletion discussions. Such things probably should be considered in policy, but they are not. (I'm 104.163.152.194, router reset!) 104.163.140.193 ( talk) 23:12, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: The article's two auctioneer and blog references effectively refer to a single item sale. While a purchase price may indicate that further search may find evidence of notability, I don't think it can in itself trump the four WP:ARTIST criteria, nor does the Nana 10 item look sufficient to meet the WP:BASIC criteria. My searches are finding nothing better, but I'm happy to revise my view if some solid critical appraisal can be located. AllyD ( talk) 11:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
The mentioned item is not the only one sold. However, it cannot happen that the only item sold is worth 100 000. Do you prefer addind more sold items? Won't it make the article promotional? Nana 10 is a website of Israeli Channel 10 (Israel). The 2nd most popular TV Channel in Israel. What about Nicholas Forrest ? I.bel
  • The Nicholas Forrest blog item contained no appraisal beyond noting that a price had been achieved. I did link to Nana 10 above, but notability does not flow from a TV channel/website to the subject of any feature item that it has run (human interest items are not uncommon, after all). The notability criteria seek more than sales achieved, either singly or in sequence. AllyD ( talk) 12:45, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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