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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 09:29, 22 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete. I tried really hard to find sources to verify the statements in this article, and felt ashamed that for one of the more noteworthy, I could find nothing better than a retrospective in the Mirror. His career does not appear to have attracted sufficient coverage to demonstrate notability. I was intending to nominate it for deletion myself this month (February).
Yngvadottir (
talk) 07:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment - Nostalgia is not enough to prove notability. Per
WP:GNG he needs significant coverage in reliable sources
JMHamo (
talk) 16:54, 1 February 2022 (UTC)reply
A week in the life of ... Howard Stableford: Howard Stableford was talking to Alice Wyllie.The Scotsman; Edinburgh (UK) [Edinburgh (UK)]. 16 Sep 2006
Typical Biker Name: Howard Stableford Rides: Harley-Davidson Road King Classic Interview by Olly Duke.The Daily Telegraph; London (UK) [London (UK)]. 16 Dec 2000
a Dinner Date with Howard Stableford: Sunday Mercury; Birmingham (UK) [Birmingham (UK)]. 07 Feb 1999:
My Hols;Travel;Interview;Howard Stableford, Hodson, Mark.Sunday Times; London (UK) [London (UK)]. 14 Apr 1996
First four are available on ProQuest
Piecesofuk (
talk) 17:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)reply
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Piecesofuk: The Metro article is already in use, and someone has added a Stage article that may be good, but it's subscription-required and I can't see it. (I let my British Newspapers Archive sub lapse because it had been a hassle to get it, and the search was such shite I never found a single usable thing.) Those you cite above all appear to be interviews (and I can't see the 4 on Proquest, though there may be another way to get to some of them.) To establish notability, we need the Stage piece to be an article, not a brief blurb, and at least one additional extended piece about him, preferably not also from when he was first announced for Tomorrow's World. Since you have database access (and likely UK library access to newspaper archives online, unlike me), can you find us any? I also have doubts about the reliability of the BFI page for citing his birthdate; what's their sourcing policy, are we sure they haven't pulled that date from earlier versions of Wikipedia's own article or something equally unreliable? Do any of the interview articles I haven't seen mention how old he was at the time?
Yngvadottir (
talk) 02:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Assuming the Stage article is more than a short paragraph, as I said, it appears to be a good source. But we require multiple reliable sources to have given him extended coverage, and interviews like the Telegraph are iffy for that, so so far it's the only one I see. I added the Mirror, and that can now be removed, since Stage refs the other shows that I couldn't find a reference for, and it's an unreliable source that we shouldn't be using in a BLP. As I say, I'm also uncertain about the reliability of BFI for his date of birth; I think we should be saying only "born in 1959 or 1960", with the Stage ref based on that statement that he was 25 in 1985. But the Mirror article is actually on the occasion of that one-off reunion broadcast of Tomorrow's World, and I really don't think that's worth mentioning as such in connection with his career, which is why I didn't use the Guardian, which says nothing about his other work. It and the Independent don't count toward notability at all, they only mention him briefly in connection with having done Tomorrow's World. To keep the article, we need at least one more article about him (that isn't just an interview about his love of biking; the Telegraph article adds Changing Places and that he married an American, but is otherwise just celebrity fluff, I'm afraid). Is there one (or more) lurking behind a paywall?
Yngvadottir (
talk) 21:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't really understand why you're questioning the reliability of the British Film Institute reference. Is there any evidence that they're unreliable or pull their information from Wikipedia? They have his place of birth as Poynton, Cheshire which as far as I can tell was not in Wikipedia.
There's no evidence that the Daily Mirror is an unreliable source (no consensus according to /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources) and it provides evidence that Stableford was one of Tomorrow World's longest serving presenters.
Piecesofuk (
talk) 23:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)reply
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HAPPY2022) 01:00, 8 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep Meets
WP:BIO with sources presented by Piecesofuk. They're reliable enough IMV.
SBKSPP (
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