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The result was merge to List of characters in The Railway Series. I'm suggesting y'all discuss or try to merge whatever information you think is merge-worthy. Doesn't have to be the article I suggested here. Then you can just redirect when you're done. Thanks everyone....this train has left the station. Missvain ( talk) 02:15, 2 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Henry the Green Engine

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An article about a single fictional locomotive within the world of Thomas the Tank Engine. The article was created in 2004, since when it has remained without proper sources. It is written in a decidedly inappropriate tone, much of it from a fan perspective. It confuses real-world and fictional perspectives, mixes two different versions of the same character - one from the books, one from the related but separate TV series - leaving the text impossibly confused. Worse, after applying WP:BEFORE research, the subject of this article is not covered in multiple reliable, published sources, and is not notable. A proposal was made to merge the salvageable contents into List of characters in The Railway Series, but this was rejected on the talk page. I don't believe there is a justification for keeping this as a separate article on Wikipedia Laplorfill ( talk) 22:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC) reply
I oppose deletion on two grounds
  1. Notability. Whilst only appealing to a small audience there is serious interest as shown by the following web site https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Henry_the_Green_Engine
  2. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. There is a place for minority interest articles.
One of the objections to the article was the lack of citations. This has been partially addressed. OrewaTel ( talk) 01:17, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: No evidence of notability like the rest of the characters from the series, through this one at least attempts to discuss some controversies related to two episodes the character appears in. However, the controversies are related to the episodes and not really to this character, so if sources are found (one of the sections has no sources), the odds are they won't be of much help, but do ping me if you think otherwise. The best I can see here for salvaging is that if said sources are found, maybe the mentioned episodes could get stand-alone articles? Regarding the proposed merge, there is little to merge as most of the article is still unreferenced plot summary aka WP:FANCRUFT, through I have no major objections to a merger if anyone wants to carry it out (just don't dump irrelevant info in a list). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete This article dates back to 2004, 2 years before Wikipedia started to develop notability guidelines for fictional things and back when Wikipedia was drowning in fancruft. We have since realized that Wikipedia needs to require things to be notable, which Henry is not. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per the above analysis. Unless more sources are presented, this fails WP:GNG. I'd recommend that if the Fandom is insufficient to ask an admin to temporarily restore any deleted page history so it can be transwiki'd. TTN ( talk) 17:08, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per everyone above. Surprised though that there are no reliable sources available since Henry is a main character. GhostDestroyer100 ( talk) 19:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I can’t believe the Thomas deletionists are still at it. Henry is notorious for being bricked up in the tunnel and that is alone he is part of popular culture not to mention the several other plot lines that he was notable for. Special Coal and Henry’s Forest (in which a tv documentary featured a complaint from Rev Awdry himself) are easily notable. 94.175.6.205 ( talk) 15:53, 25 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Merge if possible. There is some information here to preserve. Some of it is about the story that Henry appears in and not on topic. But the Washington Post article does cover some interesting facts about Henry. I agree this isn't enough to establish notability but it is worth WP:PRESERVING. Archrogue ( talk) 00:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per Archrogue. Notoability is not inherited, but preservation of sources and information are always welcome. Bearian ( talk) 21:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC) reply
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