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The result was keep. Delete votes solely reference nfooty, but keep votes indicate a consensus that whilst nfooty is not me that gng is. Fenix down ( talk) 06:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Hannibal Mejbri
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Although this individual has received a little coverage already, they have not actually done anything in their career that would confer notability and currently fails WP:NFOOTY. If he actually ever plays a professional match, the info currently in the article will be great background info, but saying "a few big clubs wanted to sign him but he hasn't actually done anything yet" isn't good enough. – Pee Jay 14:02, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. – Pee Jay 14:06, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 14:07, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep - I feel Mejbri meets WP:GNG with significant independent coverage. The fact that he "hasn't actually done anything yet" is just not true. He's played for two top European clubs and accumulated a high total transfer fee in the process, while being seen as one of Europe's top prospects. He has more coverage than a young player who has just made his debut in League Two, for example. Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 14:46, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- (Yes I am aware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 14:47, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - I'm not usually a fan of keeping articles about 17 year olds with no appearances, but this is very significant and when combined with then other coverage I am satisfied GNG is met. However some of the sources need to be removed - Express is a tabloid, and there are other non-RS/fan sites. Giant Snowman 15:23, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep I actually think this just passes GNG, sources from The Independent and others, although some tabloid, it all adds up. His transfer price at such a young age also has produced a number of sources/citations. It's a rare case to have GNG before NFooty, however in this case there is enough on the web to easily establish the notability. I really don't think there will be issues. Govvy ( talk) 16:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TOOSOON and WP:FOOTY.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 17:00, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Strong keep Clearly reaches the
GNG, as per explained above. The fact he does not meet
WP:FOOTY is completely irrelevant. --
Coco (
talk) 21:07, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Does he though? If his career ended today, I doubt you would say the same. He's not
Freddy Adu, he's not being touted as the next
Lionel Messi, he literally doesn't have a career yet. –
Pee
Jay 21:45, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- I would 100% say the same. This is not a discussion between football connoisseur about whether a player has a potential career ahead or not. The goal here is to assess if this subject reaches the consensual guidelines that this encyclopedia tried to define, i.e. the GNG and its complementary subject-specific ones. The question is: are there strong reliable secondary sources about the subject of the page? And the answer clearly seems to be positive to me here. --
Coco (
talk) 20:06, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- No, this is definitely not a conversation about whether the guy has a potential career ahead, it's a conversation about whether or not he's actually done anything noteworthy yet. Granted, sources have covered him despite him never having played a senior match in his life, but that happens for a lot of players who never do anything with their careers. You may not have heard of Rhain Davis, the Australian kid who was "signed" by Manchester United at the age of nine in 2007, but that story was covered in great depth and his career never went anywhere. We don't have an article for him for that exact reason. Even the Barcelona youngster Marc Jurado, who is expected to sign for Manchester United very soon (a story that has also been covered in great depth and he's almost twice the age Davis was when United signed him), doesn't have an article here. Unfortunately, football gets a disproportionate amount of coverage in modern media, which results in stories being reported before the subject has actually done anything important. In Mejbri's case, it is not him who is notable, but the fact that he was transferred to Manchester United for millions of pounds at the age of just 16. – Pee Jay 15:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- I would 100% say the same. This is not a discussion between football connoisseur about whether a player has a potential career ahead or not. The goal here is to assess if this subject reaches the consensual guidelines that this encyclopedia tried to define, i.e. the GNG and its complementary subject-specific ones. The question is: are there strong reliable secondary sources about the subject of the page? And the answer clearly seems to be positive to me here. --
Coco (
talk) 20:06, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- Does he though? If his career ended today, I doubt you would say the same. He's not
Freddy Adu, he's not being touted as the next
Lionel Messi, he literally doesn't have a career yet. –
Pee
Jay 21:45, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete We have the football guidelines for a reason. If a player does not pass them there is absolutely no reason we should keep an article on the person if theur own possible claim to notability is related to playing football. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 05:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete He has not made a single senior appearance for any team yet. Fails WP:NFOOTY. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 14:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- But this isn’t about whether or not he passes WP:NFOOTY, we all know he doesn’t. It’s about whether he passes WP:GNG, which a fair few people agree that he does. GNG is more important than NFOOTY. Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 16:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. But I'm surprised by the double standards of some people here. In one case GiantSnowman tells us tells us the player fails GNG and NFOOTBALL and the article for the person who played 7 games for fully professional football club is deleted, in this case for the person who never played a game in a senior level he says to keep the article. Two cases are very similar. Corwin of Amber ( talk) 17:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
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