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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. Unusual one, this. Let me say, there is a clear consensus here that the preferred version of the article is the one which LP restored during the debate (hereafter, 'restored version'; the version that was nominated originally is the 'other version').

My assessment of the situation is that, given this consensus, a new consensus would be needed on the talk page to restore the 'other version', and anyone edit-warring to restore the 'other version' without doing this would be doing so against policy. I, and I imagine other administrators, will happily take action (including blocks and protections) if edit warring against consensus to restore the 'other version' continues. (Feel free to ping me to that effect if you require something to be done, my close here does not make me involved.) Daniel ( talk) 00:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Haitian Vodou and sexual orientation

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Article seems like essay to me. And if you look at the talk page, it seems like several others have issues with the article. BostonMensa ( talk) 21:35, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 ( talk) 21:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 ( talk) 21:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Haiti-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 ( talk) 21:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. This is absolutely an essay. WP would need to TNT it and completely start over to cover the concept. -- Kbabej ( talk) 22:04, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: This is an essay. As per above, WP:TNT applies here. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 23:17, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I restored this revision from April, prior to when Agaou Wedo ( talk · contribs) hijacked the article and rewrote it without explanation. (They later gave the explanation, Revises the page based on deep knowledge of Haitian society and vodou culture as a Vodou practitioner. I also cited classic works on Vodou and Haitian society. Revision affirms Vodou as an ancestral spirituality, not a religion as the previous version suggested. Previous analysis examines Vodou through purely western eyes but demonstrate no knowledge of the practice. Previous version is filled with inaccuracies.) Any errors and POV issues in the old version can be improved. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 23:21, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per LaundryPizza's restoration. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:24, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • the version I nominated has been restored and I suspect if someone reverts it, there will be an edit war and this will go on indefinitely. I suggest that the article not only be deleted, but blocked from being re-created otherwise we will be going through the prod or AFD process each time. BostonMensa ( talk) 04:18, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply
      • But as far as I can tell, one of the "sides" of this edit war consists of just one person ( User:Agaou Wedo). There are better tactics to deal with one person trying to get their way with an article than deleting the article altogether. See WP:3RR, for example. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply
        • I can see why you say that but considering he is blocked (IIRC for 31 hours) that might not apply in this case. My issue is more if someone knows that is possible, they can easily get around it by reverting it every few days or weeks and it will still be disruptive. But if you block the article from being re created, it solves that issue. BostonMensa ( talk) 19:36, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply
    • I can see both sides and I’m not going to have a tantrum if the article isn’t deleted. But I will get extremely pissed off, annoyed, frustrated, what have you if six months from now I happen to wonder what is going on with this topic and o see the same thing is going on. Which basically boils down to, IMHO, is how important is this topic? If others think this topic is definitely wiki worthy, then definitely explore every possible option to make this article the best it can be. But if in the course of the discussion, people express concern over whether or not it can ever be more than an essay or it can be written in a neutral tone, that to me is a different discussion. BostonMensa ( talk) 21:41, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply
      • And what I was concerned about is happening. An anonymous user, that may or may not be User:Agaou Wedo again not only reverted the article but commented here and someone felt the need to delete the comment. Personally, I have no patience for this back and forth. If the “disruptive editing” was something the editor felt was something factual, like Donald Trump was wrong about airports and airplanes playing a vital role in the American Revolution, then yeah, stand up and keep insisting that George Washington never flew stealth bombers. But it sounds like the editors involved with this article are going to believe what they want to believe about homosexuality and will keep trying to get people to say UNCLE and give up reverting the homophobic edits. If you have more patience for this cat and mouse game, that’s great. BostonMensa ( talk) 14:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC) reply
        • More than likely it probably is a sock. The best thing to do is report to WP:SPI so a checkuser can investigate and both accounts will be blocked indefinitely. No more cat and mouse. Huggums537 ( talk) 15:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per restoration. The very title of this article suggests to me that you will never get around the fact that this topic will always include some type of narrative that is going to resemble that of an essay. If we are going to allow this topic the ability to "blow up and start over", then you will just keep blowing it up and starting over until you accept this concept. So, just make up your mind to accept the concept, or don't allow the topic the ability to exist in the first place. Huggums537 ( talk) 03:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, as the article is now reasonably acceptable and non-essaylike Jackattack1597 ( talk) 09:14, 7 August 2021 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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