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The result was delete. Per analysis of sources. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Griggstown cow

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If you think some of the biographical articles fail WP:GNG, here's one on a cow. Finding a cow stuck in a ditch falls under WP:NOTNEWS. Rusf10 ( talk) 23:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. MT Train ^Discuss 23:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Captain Occam ( talk) 04:12, 16 February 2018 (UTC) reply

• Delete. The subject's non-notable. Centibyte ^(talk) 00:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Comment It's a local New Jersey (US) legend according to the sources. Someone with newspaper search premium access may be able to find more and wider coverage outside the state. If not, delete and redirect to Weird NJ from whence it sprung. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 01:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep. The Griggstown Cow was a fairly well-known cryptid in New Jersey, and it's received some significant coverage from New Jersey- or cryptozoology-related sources. Aside from what's already in the article, here are a few more sources that I was able to find with a few minutes of Googling: [1] [2] [3] [4] (The fourth source is mostly about hamburgers, but it also has a brief article on the Griggstown Cow.) All of these sources are from 2011 or later, so contrary to the WP:NOTNEWS argument, this cryptid still had enduring coverage 9+ years after its death. -- Captain Occam ( talk) 03:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Those are sources, yes, but not reliable sources. #1 is a blog, #2 is also a blog, #3 the local town newspaper, and #4 is called "The Burger Review" (I'm not even sure what type of publication that is). The only reliable source coverage is from the one event. There needs to be sustained reliable source coverage.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 05:23, 16 February 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep and Cow Pie Slap Per Captain Occam, the Griggstown Cow has received coverage in newspapers, magazines and books for years, and it's this extensive coverage about the cow in reliable and verifiable sources that exceeds the notability standard. The nominator fails to understand WP:GNG and has utterly failed to comply with the obligations of WP:BEFORE. Alansohn ( talk) 04:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC) reply

The above commentator fails to understand WP:SUSTAINED and utterly fails to comply with the obligations of WP:AFDEQ. Continuing coverage in only niche magazines and blogs fall far short of the notability standard.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 05:23, 16 February 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep as per Captain Occam and Alansohn. Djflem ( talk) 11:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep This passes WP:GNG standards. And Adoil Descended ( talk) 00:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Delete. I'm not finding any WP:RS for this. There are certainly lots of places that talk about it, but none that meet the definition of WP:RS. The one source that looks promising is the Philadelphia Inquirer article. I found the text on newspapers.com. It's a little hard to make sense out of the OCR text, but the significant part is:

  The steer roaming the Pinelands is not the first wandering cow to inspire a legend in New Jersey. For many years, a black-and-white bull would appear in the area of the Delaware and Raritan Canal State Park in Griggstown, Franklin Township, in Somerset County. The story was that the Griggstown Cow, as it became known, had strayed from a herd for the wild life. According to the Milepost, the state park's newsletter, a New Jersey Water Authority employee found the bull lying helpless in a ravine on Nov. 23, 2002, about 30 years after it supposedly was first spotted. Rescued from the ravine, the bull, however, had lost all its strength. A veterinarian who examined the animal determined that the most humane thing to do was to euthanize the legend. The Milepost said the Griggstown Cow is buried near the canal's Griggstown lock.

It's not reporting the story as fact, it's just referring to The Milepost story, and The Milepost is definitely not a WP:RS. So that leaves us with nothing useful. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:38, 23 February 2018 (UTC) reply

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