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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 18:47, 8 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Gonzalo Grau y la Clave Secreta

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Appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:BAND. Only given claim to notability is an unverifiable claim to have been nominated for a Grammy. Only evidence I can find to support the claim comes from the band's own website. Attempts to verify the nomination against an independent source met no success. Ham tech person 00:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. - CHAMPION ^{( talk) ( contributions) ( logs)} 04:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• Comment: they do indeed have a Grammy nomination, for Best Tropical Latin Album in 2008 [1]. Richard3120 ( talk) 07:45, 10 October 2017 (UTC) reply

How did you get to that portion of the site? I didn't see anything on there to lead me to something like that. Wish I would have found it before. Still not certain on whether the band would be notable, as the nomination seems to only name Grau himself. Ham tech person 08:09, 10 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• comment: Ham tech person , the Grammy website has a pretty good search function for their entire database. If it shows up there (and it does) then it can be verified as real. FWI, not all Grammy's (or nominations) are equal in my opinion, as there are nearly 100 categories, not all of them particularly "marque" status, featuring some pretty obscure nominees to fill out the rolls. I'm not sure if WP:MUSIC makes the distinction, though, which is how--hypothetically--an unknown high school band director who dabbles in a weird, obscure genre as a lark could find themselves as being "wikipedia notable." As for this nomination, I'll abstain as I do not read the language of these references (and there are some found via Googling), but as a matter of observance, their Allmusic entry is a simple, insignificant listing rather than a proper profile. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 17:38, 10 October 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete being nominated for an award is normally not a sign of notability. There is a clear derth of sources in this case. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:43, 22 October 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep. A Grammy nom (final shortlist) is enough for notability, and there's significant(ish) coverage out there: [2], [3], [4]. -- Michig ( talk) 10:49, 24 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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• Keep: I'm leaning keep on this one because apart from the Grammy nomination and the interviews in the Boston Herald and El Universal, Grau has also won the Young Euro Classic Composer Award in 2011 [5], and arranged/produced two consecutive winners of the Echo Klassik Awards in 2010 [6], [7] and 2011 [8], although I fully admit this is more inherited notability than the other sources. It's not an overwhelming "keep", but Grau is clearly not a nobody in the classical music world and there's scope for improving the article. I agree with the nominator that perhaps the article would be better being renamed Gonzalo Grau to focus on Grau and his various achievements rather than his band. Richard3120 ( talk) 11:11, 1 November 2017 (UTC) reply

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