The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Overall consensus, both directly stated and implied (in the last !vote) is that the subject is presumed notable per WP:NRU. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:45, 13 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Giorgi Pruidze

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The player does not meet the criteria of notability as per WP:NRU and does not claim any credible significance. WP:CCS he has never played for his country and has only played for 1 season in a minor club Domdeparis ( talk) 17:33, 4 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:00, 4 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:00, 4 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:00, 4 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep Played at 2015 Rugby World Cup (see 2015 Rugby World Cup Pool C#Argentina vs Georgia). That would appear to meet WP:NRU (although that has not been updated for 2015). Since this is a Georgian subject, sources in English will be hard to find, so I am comfortable with the presumption that sources do exist. Therefore, keep. RonSigPi ( talk) 21:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep -- Nominator has has facts wrong. Player meets the notability criteria. Nominator should withdraw the nomination. CUA 27 ( talk) 12:35, 6 November 2016 (UTC) reply

hi CUA 27 the nominator (myself) did not have his facts wrong when he nominated the article because there was nothing about his participation in the world cup at the time...This was all the article contained at the time

Giorgi Pruidze (born June 2, 1994) is a Georgian Rugby Union player. His position is Wing and he currently plays for AIA Kutaisi in the Georgia Championship and the Georgia national team.[1][2] If you'd taken the time to check you would have seen that. I carried out a search on the web and found nothing which is not surprising as he played in total 1 match for 11 minutes during the world cup. The article needs a lot of work done to it. i would be perfectly happy if you consider that he meets the criteria WP:NRU to keep but it's worth keeping the discussion going as the WP:NRU are just a guideline. Domdeparis ( talk) 13:28, 7 November 2016 (UTC) reply

I understand where you are coming from, but the fact that the article was significantly incomplete last week is not a good reason to delete it today. For articles like these, the best bet usually is to slap a {{ refimprove}} template on the article and give others a reasonable opportunity to add content and cites, before going to Afd. On a semi-related note, User:RonSigPi's point struck me — it's much easier to find English-language articles on American and Canadian players than on Georgian players; I wish I had a satisfying solution to propose in terms of how we assess notability. CUA 27 ( talk) 03:01, 8 November 2016 (UTC) reply

CUA 27 Hi The article is over a year old and was only slightly improved on the same day that the AfD tag was added. The editor of the article is obviously passionate about his country's rugby team and has created numerous pages on decidedly un-notable rugby players (as per WP:NRU I mean). If a Georgian player who plays for a Georgian club and the Georgian national team is not considered by Georgian language editors important enough to create an article in Georgian where is the justification for an article in English if he doesn't fill the particular criteria (I am speaking in general as apparently this player just struggles in by 11 minutes) The remark from User:RonSigPi that he is comfortable to presume that the sources exist seems a little dangerous as that would mean that we must accept any un-sourced article about a foreign language subject on the presumption that the sources probably exist... Domdeparis ( talk) 09:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC) reply

The basic criteria for WP:NSPORT states "The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics)." WP:NRU states "A rugby union person is presumed notable if he...has played for...another test nation during an appearance at the men's Rugby World Cup..." In view of this, I would not say it is a little dangerous, but instead is what we must do since the entire wikipedia community has worked together to create such a guideline. The timing of improvement or motivation of the creator are irrelevant - Tiger Woods has an article because he is notable and any ill-intent of the creator of his article would not change that. Similarly, if the creator created 100 articles and 99 of them are not-notable, 1 article can still be about a notable subject and should be evaluated independently. Here, this player competed in the World Cup. To me this is different from a soccer player that competed in a few minutes of an English League Two match (domestic, 4th tier competition). This was the world cup for a highly popular sport worldwide. Further, his country has qualified for every world cup this century. That continued success leads one to believe that rugby in the nation this player is from is a big deal. This was not a one-time qualification, but sustained competition at a high level. In view of these factors and in view of the presumption granted by WP:NRU I say keep. RonSigPi ( talk) 00:50, 9 November 2016 (UTC) reply

But he does have a page in the Georgian language. See here. So your argument that since he doesn't have a page in the Georgian language he therefore doesn't merit a page in the English language can now be put to bed. The bottom line is that the player meets WP:NRU criteria, and his notability is further supported by the fact that this articles now has eight cites. CUA 27 ( talk) 23:54, 8 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Comment Hi CUA 27 I think the link to the georgian article is very recent even if the article was created in July but I may be wrong. As I said when I nominated the article for deletion there was no mention of him having played in the World Cup as there is proof that he played (albeit for 11 minutes) he qualifies as notable but without these 11 minutes he would not be considered notable enough regardless of the other stuff you have added. So if the consensus is keep I am very happy with that. But I must insist that wikipedia is not a list the articles have to be notable and as RonSigPi rightly states the community has worked together to create this guideline of notability and if you feel that it should be changed there is a discussion page for that. Domdeparis ( talk) 09:44, 9 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep Article was AfD'd in good faith by Domdeparis based on how it stood at the time. Notability has subsequently been established and the article can be retained. -- Bcp67 ( talk) 19:25, 9 November 2016 (UTC) reply

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