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The result was keep. There is a clear consensus to keep. The question about an appropriate article title is deferred to the article talk page. ( non-admin closure) Sam Sailor Talk! 01:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Garry Hoy
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Classic BLP1EBIO1E even though he's long since dead. We don't unfold BLP1E articles into a BLP after a subject dies. This material should be moved into the "falling through window" article
Which Hazel? (
talk) 23:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment While I agree that the individual himself may not be notable, the event itself seems to be. Perhaps a simple rename to "Death of Gary Hoy" will suffice? A Thousand Doors ( talk | contribs) 23:31, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment The article in question seems to pertain more to a specific event than the individual in question. I agree with A Thousand Doors that the event is notable and agree that a rename is probably in order. Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W ( talk) 23:37, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment I really don't care one way or the other, but thought this event would fold nicely into Defenestration Which Hazel? ( talk) 23:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Rename to Death of Garry Hoy per A Thousand Doors (and a thousand windows in that tall building): I just added a summary of the topic to the Defenestration article, although a mention in such an article is necessarily brief. This isn't a case of WP:BLP1E, because he is dead – instead, it's a WP:BIO1E, although similar concepts apply and he is primarily notable only for the manner of his unfortunate demise. Probably the article shouldn't be deleted, because the case has been discussed in many reliable sources, celebrated by a Darwin Award, and re-enacted in several films and television shows and at least one novel. In addition to the sources cited in the article, more are easily found by a web search, and at least one additional example of the event being depicted in fiction is mentioned on the article's Talk page. — BarrelProof ( talk) 00:44, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. Dude threw himself through a window. Rename as appropriate if desired. Herostratus ( talk) 08:02, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- Question I've spent (or wasted, depending on your POV) about an hour looking for RS covering this "event". It appears those who have commented thus far agree (as do I) that the bar for
WP:EVENT needs to be met. However based upon my research I'm not seeing any coverage that reaches this threshold. Indeed, from WP:EVENT in part reads (emphasis added by me)
Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance
. To me, this clearly falls (no pun intended) into "shock" news sort of event with no enduring significance. Pretty much every source out there treats this like weird-news. Can anyone find sources that establish that this event is notable? If so, I'd be perfectly happy to move the article to "The death of Garry Hoy" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Which Hazel? ( talk • contribs) 11:08, 3 December 2015 (UTC) - Speedy keep To nominator: BLP1E doesn't apply to dead people, even if the event occurred while the person is alive. That would mean virtually every
WP:BIO1E has BLP issues. Hoy's death has been covered, repeatedly, in media around the world for years:
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[6]. Perhaps a requested move discussion can occur, but an AfD isn't the appropriate place to start that discussion.
FuriouslySerene (
talk) 14:32, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not convinced those sources satisfy
WP:EVENT. The Globe and Mail article, for example, is a trivial mention.
NinjaRobotPirate (
talk) 09:43, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- The point of EVENT is to prevent run of the mill local coverage from making it into WP. As you can see from WP:EVENTCRIT, coverage years later and from international sources would mean it's notable. FuriouslySerene ( talk) 15:34, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not convinced those sources satisfy
WP:EVENT. The Globe and Mail article, for example, is a trivial mention.
NinjaRobotPirate (
talk) 09:43, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The event appears to be notable, but I agree with many above that the article should probably be renamed to Death of Garry Hoy or The self defenestration of Garry Hoy. -- I am One of Many ( talk) 06:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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