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The result was Keep. Ekabhishek talk 03:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC) reply

Gandhi Smarak Inter College, Rajesultanpur

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No clear indications that a school of this name exists in Rajesultanpur. Searches show the existence of schools of this name in other places, and at least one social media entry with no information (on a site named "wowsome"), but nothing reliable on which to verify even the existence of this school, let alone its size or academic issues. Searches in both English and Hindu fail. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 00:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Redirect is only valid if the school actually exists, and we still have no verification that it does. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 02:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Delete per WP:G3 (Hoax) - I should've read the nominators reason as he's right - There's nothing to say this school even exists - Although I did find "Nagar Nigam Gandhi Smarak Inter College" but then again I'm seeing alot of names infront of "Gandhi Smarak Inter College", The sources in the article are useless since one's irrelevant & the other's dead ... Unless an Indian editor can verify its existence I say WP:G3 applies. – Davey2010 • (talk) 02:48, 28 August 2014 (UTC) reply

*Keep: the same author added the list of schools to the education section of the Rajesultanpur article. He is obviously quite knowledgeable about this small city/town and his edits do not appear to be other than good faith. Therefore we should be extremely hesitant in declaring this article as a hoax and to do so is to insult and possibly lose an editor. Why create an article about a high school of 4,000+ students if it does not exist? - And then call it a government school? One thing is for sure, it's too big to a kindergarten or a primary school. Whereas we have no policy that assumes that all high school are notable by default, we do assume that in the case of an unreferenced school, unless there are grounds to assume it is publicity for a for-profit establishment, there is a strong argument to keep it. Also, not having sources is not a de facto criterion for deletion of an article. I'm inlcined to say we should err on the side of probability here for an area where Internet sources and websites may not be the strongest in the world, and keep this article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 08:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC) reply

    • Comment @ Kudpung: Unfortunately, you can not any longer see the photo that accompanied this article, because it has been deleted as a copyright violation, but it consisted of a stock photo of a generic Indian school yard, with the name of this particular school photoshopped in. When I see things like that, my willingness to assume good faith dissipates. I cannot begin to think of the reasons a person might have to perpetrate a hoax like this (perhaps there is funding to be obtained from the Indian government if you can convince them you're running a school in a remote village), but I also can't see any point in retaining an article about a school when none of the information (even the school's existence) is verifiable. WP:V is one of the primary pillars of Wikipedia; if an article can't have any of its information verified, what's the point of retaining it? WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 12:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WikiDan61. Can't imagine why anyone would go to so much trouble to fake a WP article about a school, but fake is fake. Thanks, Dan, for the heads up. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 12:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Exists! (Search for Gandhi Smarakm I.C., Rajesultanpur; there seems to be an additional 'm' in the actual name) Uttar Pradesh State Government Scholarship List, UP Government Scholarship Official Document, Page 91. Wifione Message 16:55, 3 September 2014 (UTC) reply
@ Wifione: You have done a appreciable job. Thanks! Even I am also going to change my vote to keep. CutestPenguin Hangout 16:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Given that we have verified that the school exists, the best I can recommend is a redirect to Rajesultanpur, since we have no verifiable information about the school outside of its existence. And recall, schools are only immune from speedy deletion; they still must meet the criteria of WP:ORG. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 17:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC) reply
    • The article was created on 24th August. You nominated it for deletion on 25th August. Till now, the claim was that it is a hoax and all other !voters accepted that. Now that it's proved it's not a hoax (Google Maps is sometimes the best app to find out if a place is not a hoax), I would suggest let the article remain for a few days and let's allow the author(s) to add material. If in reasonable time this doesn't happen, we can have an early re-nomination again for deletion. But if you end up re-directing it, I don't think there is any hope for a government college article, which is not a hoax, to be built up using verifiable sources. This is just a suggestion. For example, if you were to use the Hindi translation of the college's name (use Google Translate), you immediately come up against a multitude of Hindi news sources containing the college's name: Amar Ujala, Hindustan, Jagaran, Janadesh et al. So clearly, to say that we have no verifiable information about the school outside the existence is completely wrong. My suggestion stands: allow the authors some time to add content using verifiable sources. Thanks. Wifione Message 18:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as a verified college per longstanding consensus and precedent. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:23, 4 September 2014 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 07:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC) reply
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