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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 11:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Fergus James
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Notability not shown, indicated, no reliable sources. Speedy delete? BoraVoro ( talk) 10:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I've added sources and references i think he is definitely notable enough having 5 songs with 1,000,000+ streams on
Spotify and 2 with 5,000,000+.
FFelxii (
talk) 11:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain to me which part of
WP:RSPYT you don't understand?
TarnishedPath
talk 13:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen many other articles do similar things where they link the YouTube page for the song on artists so I thought i was allowed. For example the
Andy Bull page uses YouTube videos as references in the same way sorry for any misunderstanding.
FFelxii (
talk) 13:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Have a read of the link. YouTube sources can be used, but not in the way you did. If Fergus's notability is going to be established then it needs to be done with secondary sources.
TarnishedPath
talk 13:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- YouTube sources can be used. They can even be used like that, because those links
WP:Verify that he really did sing a song of that name, etc. But a link to a webpage (YouTube or otherwise) that was posted by a person/band/business can never demonstrate
Wikipedia:Notability of that same person/band/business. So while those links were okay, they were not pointful for the purpose of determining whether to keep the article.
WhatamIdoing (
talk) 19:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ WhatamIdoing, thank you for the correction. TarnishedPath talk 09:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- YouTube sources can be used. They can even be used like that, because those links
WP:Verify that he really did sing a song of that name, etc. But a link to a webpage (YouTube or otherwise) that was posted by a person/band/business can never demonstrate
Wikipedia:Notability of that same person/band/business. So while those links were okay, they were not pointful for the purpose of determining whether to keep the article.
WhatamIdoing (
talk) 19:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Have a read of the link. YouTube sources can be used, but not in the way you did. If Fergus's notability is going to be established then it needs to be done with secondary sources.
TarnishedPath
talk 13:51, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen many other articles do similar things where they link the YouTube page for the song on artists so I thought i was allowed. For example the
Andy Bull page uses YouTube videos as references in the same way sorry for any misunderstanding.
FFelxii (
talk) 13:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain to me which part of
WP:RSPYT you don't understand?
TarnishedPath
talk 13:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Australia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (weak). The external links added to the article are all a bit problematic in one way or another. Some are lacking in depth, some are interviews (not ideal as a source), some are not quite independent of the subject and the one I'd bet on [1] is unfortunately paywalled. However, we do have the title "Armidale boy Fergus James to support Ed Sheeran on Australian tour " and the date (2018) which show that James has been on the radar for quite some time. (Also, opening for Ed Sheeran is a big deal). I also found this which provides somewhat significant coverage. This and this lack depth but it's still coverage. This is a more recent interview. All in all, I think we have (though barely) enough to pass WP:GNG. Pichpich ( talk) 18:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in view of the sources identified above by Pichpich. I haven't done a full search yet but I did find a bio at AllMusic here which states that his first hit single charted which i'll look into, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I've just added a bunch of references. Not all have in-depth coverage, but some do. One in particular is a live review of one of his performances in Melbourne at The Workers Club. I'd say that there is enough to pass WP:GNG. TarnishedPath talk 10:42, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep based on sources added. BoraVoro, did anyone ever tell you about WP:NEXIST? This is probably not obvious – the telephone game by which we oversimplify and overstate the rules to make newbies do what we want with as little effort as possible on our part causes real problems over time – but we don't actually have any guideline or policy that endorses "Notability not shown" as a valid reason for deletion; instead, we have a rule that says that what matters is whether reliable sources are in the real world (libraries, bookstores, the internet) and explicitly not whether those sources are already WP:Glossary#cited in the article. If a WP:BEFORE search (which you didn't mention doing, but I hope you did) is not very helpful, then please consider a {{ notability}} tag or WP:BLPPROD instead of an AFD. (I'd have chosen BLPPROD myself.) WhatamIdoing ( talk) 19:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I found a charting ref for a single. I don't know if this is what the AllMusic bio's writer referred to. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 04:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Please don't bomb the article with a dozen Youtube links again. This is not what Wikipedia is for. Geschichte ( talk) 11:48, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Passes WP:GNG. LKBT ( talk) 12:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment More information under his full name/alternative name. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 21:01, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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