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one source cited seems to be an IMDB-type site that will list any Hungarian athlete, regardless of notability. — Preceding
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Partofthemachine (
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Comment: The Italian wikipedia equates him with the basketball player who was on the bronze medal winning team at
EuroBasket 1946.
StAnselm (
talk) 01:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
The basketball player is called "Velkei", not "Velkey". They may be identical, but of the sources in the Italian page
this database shows no awareness of it, and I cannot confirm it with
this source either.
Avilich (
talk) 13:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete not enough sources to determine notability or to verify the facts. --
Bigneeerman (
talk) 19:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Week Keep I know there are not a lot of information about him, but he played 3 Basketball European championships and at the Olympics handball.
🤾♂️Malo95 (
talk) 20:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Whatever their identity, sportspeople need to have received significant coverage according to
WP:SPORTCRIT#5; participation in notable competitions was deprecated as a criterion of notability in
this RfC, and I'm still not seeing how this person meets GNG. Assuming all of your search hits down below are about him, they appear not to meet criterion #4 which requires "reports beyond routine game coverage" and beyond mere passing mentions or team member listings.
Avilich (
talk) 21:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. There is enough to make me believe sufficient coverage
WP:NEXISTs to satisfy BASIC/GNG, particularly in local language sources. wjematherplease leave a message... 11:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)reply
If you're referring to the search results above, would you mind explaining why they meet criterion #4 of
WP:SPORTCRIT which requires "reports beyond routine game coverage" and passing mentions? Your Małolepszy 2013 source also contains no prose and is just a team roster.
Avilich (
talk) 18:19, 4 August 2022 (UTC)reply
While it is clear that the majority of the coverage is passing mentions in routine sports coverage, as it is for any sportsperson, it seems very likely (if not almost certain) that
many of the hits on Arcanum Digitheca contain significant coverage (e.g. "Velkei Ferenc the famous Hungarian international referee...", "Only of these Velkei Ferenc was an international referee at the age of 50...", "Velkey Ferenc today the referee who is Bp Vörös...", "According to Ferenc Velkei, deputy general secretary of Hungarian basketball...", "Ferenc Velkei is a multiple Hungarian national team player...", "...we inquired with Ferenc Velkei, the international commissioner of the MKOSZ...") – unfortunately the snippets are extremely brief (and Google translate does an awful job of translating them) and Arcanum is paywalled. There are even more hits by extending the date window up to the present. For me, it is unreasonable to think there is no significant coverage in these local language sources. wjematherplease leave a message... 10:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor(talk) 15:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor(talk) 19:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC)reply
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