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The result was delete‎. This would be a "keep" or "no consensus" judging from the numbers alone (~5 deletes to ~9 keeps), but that's not the way we evaluate consensus on Wikipedia. A considerable number of keep !votes are not rooted in our policies and guidelines: I gave little or no weight to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments, !votes that weren't rooted in sources, appeals to the guideline on redirects, etc. A handful of the remaining editors did try to supply sources, but there was no real rejoinder to the delete !voters' arguments that they lacked independence, were only trivial mentions, and/or were about the sport rather than Alizade himself. (The bludgeoning and canvassing also did not strengthen the keep side's case.) All in all this adds up to a narrow consensus to delete, without prejudice against creating an article about the sport or the federation (and potentially redirecting this title to that article) in the future. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 03:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Farid Alizade

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No independent establishment of notability Amigao ( talk) 15:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC) reply

The work in progress template is posted in the article, the World Alpagut Federation cooperates with world important organizations such as TAFİSA and Fair play. links prove the importance of the organization and its leader Farid Alizade.
  1. Alpagut: The Turkic World's Martial Art Making Waves Globally
  2. "3. Dünya Alpagut Şampiyonası", Bursa'da başladı
  3. Alpagut rüzgarı Bursa’da esti
  4. Azərbaycanda I Beynəlxalq Turan Oyunları keçiriləcək
  5. newspaper agazete.com
  6. Azərbaycan Respublikası Daxili İşlər Nazirliyinin Polis Akademiyası
  7. Azərbaycanlı deputat federasiya prezidenti oldu musavat.com
  8. Reviving Turkic Sports: An Interview With Farid Alizade, President Of The International Turan Games Committee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.191.67.51 ( talk) 21:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC) reply

5.191.26.109 ( talk) 21:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Keep He is the founder and first president of the World Alpagut Federation. He is the founder of the Turan games committee. He is an important person who created martial arts in Azerbaijan.-- Mehdi Fayyazli (Talk) 09:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:22, 29 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Keep Being one of the founders of the World Alpagut Federation makes him completely encyclopedic, the man founded the world federation. Pass per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria -- Samral ( talk) 05:54, 1 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Keep As per above reasons to have the article kept. Valid links listed above and Authority control, referance ISNI meet the WP:GNG, I think the publication seems OK. Notable in the Azerbaijani context. I am attaching the important document of the World Federation to the discussion. Extract from the Registry of Entrepreneurial and Non-Entrepreneurial (Non-Commercial) Legal Entities / The World Alpagut Federation was accepted as a member of International Martial Arts Games Committee -- ETIBARMEMMEDOV TT me 15:06, 4 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Although the consensus is to keep, two of the voters seem very inactive, and the remaining one is the creator who did not edit other pages for two months. Only one user tried to explain adequately.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy ( talk) 09:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Weak delete. It's great that he create the martial art, makes him noteworthy, but we need sourcing discussing the individual to be notable for wikipedia's purposes. I'm not seeing that in this case. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Weakish delete, I'm far from convinced. Being the founder of the World Alpagut Foundation would be more meaningful if I could find any sources suggesting that this organisation is written-about or known to anyone except the handful of people directly involved in it. For this, and for the International Turan Games committee I am finding only LinkedIn, Crunchbase, Instagram, Twitter, and the organisations' own websites, none of which are even remotely indicators of notability. I'm classing my delete as Weakish because I cannot assess Azerbaijani sources, and there may be stuff out there if I could read it. Elemimele ( talk) 12:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC) reply
    • Comment If you go a little deeper, then you will abandon your comment. In general, those who comment on this question do not seem to be those who know this area in depth. I think the comments could be more reasonable. It would be nice to get the opinion of those who have a wide and informed opinion in other discussions, for example, let's get the opinion of these two Wikipedians. Dear Necrothesp and Dear CactiStaccingCrane please comment.-- ETIBARMEMMEDOV TT me 18:21, 5 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Strong Keep Dear Oaktree b But these shortcomings do not preclude the existence of an article when the subject of the article is significant. I must say, at this moment, the retelling of the article's view, as presented from your position, has not satisfied me. I suspect that this is your personal opinion. What specific doubts do you have about Alizade's credibility? I see no good reason to delete the article; there are indications of encyclopedic significance.
If any points of significance are controversial or unclear, they should be discussed. If the article contains advertisements, nonsense, or copyvio, they must be deleted. You declare that none of the listed positions give a person significance. But how can you prove it?
Senior managers, members of boards of directors, and similar governing bodies, along with the activities of the enterprise, are represented by independent authoritative sources. You could still consider the subject as a public figure.
Anadolu Agency (tr):
https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/spor/dunya-alpagut-sampiyonasinda-12-madalya-alan-sporcular-yeni-hedeflere-odaklandi/2763314
Türkiye Wikipedia for Alpagut Martial Art (tr):
https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpagut_(d%C3%B6v%C3%BC%C5%9F_sanat%C4%B1)
Haberler.com (News) (tr):
https://www.haberler.com/guncel/kazakistan-da-eski-turk-dovus-sanati-alpagut-11294797-haberi/
HaberTurk TV Official Website News (tr): https://www.haberturk.com/bursa-haberleri/29633502-3-dunya-alpagut-sampiyonasi-bursada-basladi
DHA (Demiroren News Agency) Official News Portal (tr): Bilal Erdoğan attended the Turkic World Ancestor Sports Festival: https://www.dha.com.tr/gundem/bilal-erdogan-turk-dunyasi-ata-sporlari-senligine-katildi-2104540
Ministry of Education of Republic of Turkiye (tr):
1. https://nallihan.meb.gov.tr/www/dunya-alpagut-sampiyonasinda-dereceye-giren-ogrencilerimizin-ilce-milli-egitim-mudurumuz-bayram-benliceyi-ziyareti/icerik/954
2. https://nallihan.meb.gov.tr/www/ilcemizde-sportif-basari/icerik/951
3. https://nallihan.meb.gov.tr/www/turan-alpagut-turk-dovus-sanatlari-kategorisinde-ogrencilerimiz-dunya-sampiyonu-oldular/icerik/845
IHA (Ihlas News Agency) (tr): https://www.iha.com.tr/bursa-haberleri/ata-sporlarinda-renkli-bulusma-3823287/
Inflicts World News Portal: https://inflics.com/arwa-afridi-wins-2-gold-medals-at-world-alpagut-championship/
Parliamentary Assembly of Turkic States (former President of WAF after Farid Alizade):
https://www.turk-pa.org/person/4-nizami-jafarov
Kyrgyz News AKIPRESS: https://akipress.com/news:672155:Kyrgyzstanis_win_4_gold_medals_at__World_Alpagut_Cup_2022_in_Turkey/
Azerbaijani News Portals about Alpagut:
1. http://www.today.az/news/sports/166824.html
2. https://oval.az/azerbaijan-rank-first-overall-medal-table-world-alpagut-championships/
3. https://en.axar.az/news/officialnews/136036.html
4. https://www.news.az/news/world-alpagut-cup-kicks-off-in-baku
Kazakhstan News Portal KazInform: https://www.inform.kz/en/kazakhstan-set-to-revive-alpagut-old-turkic-martial-art_a3409227 Voen.nezer ( talk) 10:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Exactly, but we need sourcing that discusses the person, or we're just blowing smoke. I can't judge the qualify of most of those sources. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Please don't ping me further, I've given my thoughts and have moved on. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:19, 7 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • ReplyThe world federation should be introduced to the Wikipedia community in a completely proper encyclopedic tone.

Let's look at the problem that caused the discussion from a different point of view. Alpagut has been around for nine years and already has ties in over 50 countries worldwide. So, isn't English-language media missing out by not covering it?

Dear Elemimele, the sources you listed are social media coverage. I noticed your attempt to prioritize LinkedIn, Crunchbase, Instagram, Twitter directly over Federation sources, frankly I didn't like it when I looked at your comment and that's why I wanted to prepare an extensive comment and present it to you and the community with all the sources.

And yet, it seems its story is somewhat untold in the English language. But let us not be restricted by language, for when we delve into different regions and languages, we discover that Alpagut's story is indeed being told with fervor.

Italy: The Italians, for instance, have embraced Alpagut. From a touching piece in the Milan Newspaper to the recognition from the Italy Kurash Federation the organization has made its mark.

  1. https://www.gazzettadimilano.it/sport/intervista-a-vasif-namazov-fondatore-dellalpagut-vasil-namazov-alpagut-founder/
  2. http://www.kurashitalia.com/alpagut/

Pakistan: The narrative continues in Pakistan. Celebrating their athletes' victory to covering the events, Pakistan acknowledges the impact of Alpagut. The Pakistani media continuous contribute to Alpagut's growing global presence

  1. https://dailytimes.com.pk/508797/pakistans-woman-athlete-wins-two-golds-at-world-alpagut-championship/
  2. https://www.thedayspring.com.pk/tag/2nd-world-alpagut-championship/
  3. https://www.brecorder.com/news/548289
  4. https://www.oyeyeah.com/sports/female-athlete-wins-two-golds-at-the-2nd-world-alpagut-championship/

Iraq: In Iraq, too, Alpagut's influence is apparent. From government portals to universities they're talking about Alpagut.

  1. https://alsabaah.iq/43296-.html
  2. https://mofa.gov.iq/baku/martyrs-of-the-ministry-of-foreign-affair/?paged=40
  3. https://shafaq.com/ar/ريـاضة/عراقي-يحصد-ذهبية-بطولة-الباغوت-العالمية-في-تركيا
  4. https://uowasit.edu.iq/ar/

Kyrgyzstan: Kyrgyzstan joins this global conversation through its own online platform

  1. https://ru.kyrgyztoday.org/archives/340584

Kazakhstan: Kazakhstan echoes the enthusiasm, with its sports portals filled with Alpagut content

  1. https://www.sportinfo.kz/news/show/name/sportsmeny_iz_aktau_zavoevali_pervye_mesta_na_chempionate_mira_po_alpagut_162426.html
  2. https://www.sports.kz/news/sportsmenyi-iz-aktau-zavoevali-pervyie-mesta-na-chempionate-mira-po-alpagut

Russia: Russia joins the chorus, sharing Alpagut's stories

  1. http://www.derbent.ru/press-tsentr/novosti/208706/
  2. https://az.sputniknews.ru/20160118/403403152.html

Azerbaijan: Azerbaijan, too, showcases Alpagut on various platforms, even governmental ones

  1. https://mys.gov.az/en/press/news/n/24435/the-astara-athlete-took-the-1st-position-in-the-v-championship-in-the-alpagut-martial-arts
  2. https://www.fhn.gov.az/index.php?eng/news/xeber/2021/11/24/41733/4/1

Jordan: Even Jordan, with its news portal pays homage to Alpagut.

  1. https://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.aspx?storyid=1096092497&title=Baku-to-host-World-Alpagut-Cup&src=RSS

International Recognition: And there's no shortage of international recognition

  1. https://www.icsspe.org/content/new-member-world-alpagut-federation
  2. http://tafisa.org/supporter-members
  3. http://www.fairplayinternational.org/cifp-members-ordinary-members
  4. https://www.turksoy.org/en-US/news/2019-07-24-4th-festival-of-traditional-sports-of-the-turkic-world-in-bursa-kocayayla
  5. https://www.thenews.com.pk/tns/detail/959596-arwa-the-grappling-queen

Turkey:

  1. https://raillynews.com/2022/07/ata-sporlarinda-renkli-bulusma/
  2. https://www.raillynews.com/2021/11/Alpagut-Eurasian-Championship-will-be-held-in-Bursa/
  3. https://www.trthaber.com/haber/spor/3-dunya-alpagut-sampiyonasi-bursada-basladi-728087.html
  4. https://www.trtspor.com.tr/haber/diger-sporlar/3-dunya-alpagut-sampiyonasi-bursada-yapilacak-203614.html
  5. https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/bilim-teknoloji/turkiyenin-yeni-akilli-dolanan-muhimmati-alpagut-tanitildi/
  6. http://www.tdbb.org.tr/?p=19154&lang=en
  7. https://www.bursa.bel.tr/haber/alpagut-ruzgari-bursada-esti-32356

Turkey, with its several news outlets showcases Alpagut with pride.


Alpagut is well known in the Arab countries, and looking at the Arab sources, the Federation cannot be considered a new creation, and it is obvious that this is not the case. Interesting, right?

  1. shafaq.com
  2. alsabaah.iq

Behind this global recognition is the man who started it all, Farid Alizade, the founder and first president of the World Alpagut Federation. His vision and leadership have undeniably put Alpagut on the map. It's time we recognize him as a 'Wikipedic' person - an individual who has made a meaningful impact worthy of widespread acknowledgment. He is now Executive Member of the Board of World Alpagut Federation and continuously supporting Alpagut.

I spent approximately one hour researching this information on the internet, focusing primarily on resources in the English language. I'm aware that there is an abundance of news in the native languages of various countries which I haven't tapped into all. I am confident that a more thorough investigation would reveal even more about Alpagut. I trust in the fairness of Wikipedia's administrators, and I believe they will take note of this information and will decide to keep this page.

These information that I just searched on the internet for 1 hours. I believe you will find much more about Alpagut.-- ETIBARMEMMEDOV TT me 16:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC) reply

It's not ultimately my decision, I'm just one opinion. But if you want the article kept, my advice would be to find just three really good sources that are not interviews, press-releases or publicity pieces produced by the organisations associated with Alizade or Alpagut. Just three truly independent articles would be enough. I don't doubt that Alpagut's story is being told with fervour, but fervour isn't helpful: The story has to have been told by someone who isn't closely involved in Alpagut or one of its events. Elemimele ( talk) 18:16, 6 June 2023 (UTC) reply
It's fascinating that you are asking for sources from third parties who are not affiliated with Alpagut. Are you proficient in Azerbaijani, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Russian, Arabic, Urdu, Hindi, Italian and a few other languages? Because the information I found within an hour includes instances of Alpagut being covered by third parties that have no affiliation with Alpagut. For instance, Etno Sport, which is unaffiliated with Alpagut, has covered it. There are more among the sources I shared, and they outnumber the three you asked for. Have you noticed them?
Moreover, it is essential to note that the sports community is a niche community. You can't expect to find a person or a party unaffiliated and unknowledgeable about the sport to discuss or write about it. It is not a perfume, fashion, or a car where everyone can express an opinion when asked. Only those involved in the community and understand the sport can provide the most informed coverage. ETIBARMEMMEDOV TT me 05:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC) reply
I think there are several misunderstandings going on here. Firstly, this is an article about a person, not the sport, so we shouldn't digress too far into the notability of the martial art itself. In many ways it would have been better to start with an article on the martial art rather than on its founder. But we are where we are. Secondly, sources are relevant for two different purposes: to back up facts, and to demonstrate notability. It is fine to use sources intimately connected with a subject to back up facts (with the proviso that we do not expect them to be as reliable; for example, an actress may choose to knock a few years off her age when interviewed). But we need unconnected sources to demonstrate notability.
The big question for Farid Alizade is this: is he a big fish in a pond of which few outside the pond has heard? If so, by all means promote the pond, but do that somewhere outside Wikipedia, and come back to Wikipedia when the pond is notable. There is nothing wrong with niche communities, but Wikipedia's interest in them fades the smaller the niche becomes. You've produced a very long list of interviews and publicity pieces issued by organisations who work with him. What I was looking for was, for example, a national newspaper that chose to write about him without any prompting from him, his publicist, or an organisation for which he works, or which is sponsoring him in some way. At this point, I am going to bow out because I think I'm verging on WP:BLUDGEON, but I would advise you also to be aware of not only that page, but also WP:COI. If you are closely associated with the subject of the article, you should declare it, and if you work for him or one of his organisations, you definitely need to declare it. I'm going to drop out now, we really need more diverse input. Elemimele ( talk) 12:33, 7 June 2023 (UTC) reply
information Administrator note Hatted per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Regarding the sock's allegations of sockpuppetry (heh), at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Elshadiman I did not see an actionable case that 90AA123 is a sock of Elshad. However, @ 90AA123, please stop bludgeoning. You've said your piece. Let others say theirs. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 02:30, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
  • Delete this user is a sockpuppet of Elshad Iman (Elşad İman). He has personal connection with the discussed person (Farid Alizade). See his instagram post ( archive)
    Also, he has created Elkhan Bashirov article which was edited by Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) on Azwiki. Also, his discussion style is the exact copy of his. He e-mails or personally contacts people to vote in his AfD/AfU pages, as you can see on this page. Necessary steps should be taken. Could you evaluate this further? Please, help to take global block measurements. I'm writing with this user profile for security issues and I apologize for that. Thanks in advance! @ Ponyo, RoySmith, Sir Sputnik, Vanjagenije, and Oshwa: sorry for the tag -- Vikiistifadəçi ( talk) 10:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC) reply
    @ Vikiistifadəçi Claiming someone is a sockpuppet with little evidence is an WP:UNCIVIL procedure. If you truly think that (and have enough evidence to support it), take it to WP:SPI. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 10:42, 8 June 2023 (UTC) reply
    @ Fakescientist8000 thank you, but I guess, this is far from being suspicious. I provided this information to others attention as he canvasses the discussion. If not taken, I will apply for the SPI as well. Vikiistifadəçi ( talk) 10:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC) reply
    I request you to investigate this matter and serious allegation. ETIBARMEMMEDOV TT me 11:11, 8 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Reply "Hmm, 'stop the condescending discussion'. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding here. We are focused on evaluating the necessity of this article, not engaging in trivial debates. I am no silly sock or sock puppet account.
  • This AfD seems to be based on unrealistic expectations that a simple internet or Google search will not yield substantial coverage. After all, the internet is not the end of all information. There are sources in newspapers and magazines, which should be sufficient for WP:GNG.
  • Currently, the English-language Wikipedia boasts over 6 million articles. Among them, there are entries on individuals who have won merely a single silver medal in sports, with their fame often limited to their home countries. Shouldn't the founder of an international organization be given equal consideration, especially when the organization and its activities are detailed in multiple sources? Take a moment to research it, and you'll discover that every international competition they organize witnesses participation from over 20 countries, with dozens of silver medals being awarded. Hypothetically speaking, if this page is deleted at a time when a rapidly growing organization is being actively managed by a dedicated board of directors, how likely is it that someone will recreate this article in 1, 3, or 5 years? Moreover, should a page for the World Alpagut Federation be created, Farid Alizade's name is bound to appear as one of its founders and as the 1st President of the Federation. After all, he made history in 2014 as the first Azerbaijani to preside over a World Federation when he founded the WAF.
  • My recent research reveals that the current president of this federation is Jala Ahmedova, a member of the Parliament of Azerbaijan, and the first vice president is Konul Nurullayeva, another member of the Parliament of Azerbaijan. Both are renowned in the sports world. While Konul has her own English-language Wikipedia page, Azerbaijani contributors are cautious about adding her Alpagut role to her English-language Wikipedia page, out of concern for potential backlash and the scrutiny of overly active users. So, how else are we, the Azerbaijanis, to expand on English-language Wikipedia entries about our notable figures, if not through foreign initiative?
  • I place my trust in the fairness of Wikipedia's administrators. I anticipate that the Supreme Administrative Council will exercise a just influence on this process and its outcome.
  • The case is simple: Sources have been provided above that establish significant coverage. Thus, it fulfills the WP:GNG ULPS criteria.
Keep per my comment at 14:53 above —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ ping}} me in replies) 14:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This discussion has turned into something of a morass, between back and forth sock allegations (and actual socking), and discussion of tangentially related matters.
The question is about source material covering Alizade. Not sources about Aipagut, not sources about organizations he founded, but specifically about him. If discussion can stay focused to that, it would become much clearer what we need to do here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply

  • delete: agreeing with the nominator, most of the coverage is either non-independent or passing mentions, the sources don't establish the person's notability. - Kevo327 ( talk) 08:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Strong Keep Not seeing a good reason to delete. I'm Notified of this discussion at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Azerbaijan. There is relevant content. In any case, I think keep per OwenBlacker. I cannot find a single reason at WP:RFD#DELETE which might apply here. Regarding the claim these pages are all no longer linked to from anywhere, this is demonstrably untrue - every single one of them has inward links.-- Sabin.K.M ( talk) 12:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Strong Keep The crux of this discussion hinges on the reliability and relevance of the provided sources. While the links mentioned above are very strong, my research led me to discover several equally sufficient, albeit not top-tier, links that had not yet been introduced in the discussion. Here are a few: 1(one), 2(two), 3(three), 4(four), 5(five). These further validate the possibility of locating ample sources about F. Alizade. In my assessment, this individual has enough notability to warrant his own Wikipedia article. It is of significant importance to convey to the world the historical journey of the founder of Alpagut sport, which has gained a global presence. Plus, let's not forget that he is the founder of Turan Games. To demonstrate notability, both primary and secondary criteria can be used.-- Nuray95 ( talk) 07:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Strong Keep  The subject at hand undoubtedly warrants attention, and additional references would strengthen its case. While it's true that the sources directly discussing the head of the federation are limited here, it doesn't mean they are non-existent. A thorough search might still uncover pertinent sources.

The purpose of Wikipedia is to educate people on a wide array of topics, both major and minor. It's important to note, however, that this is not a voting process. AfD discussions, like any other discourse on Wikipedia, aim to reach a consensus based on interpretation of guidelines and evidence. In this context, the focus is on establishing whether the article meets Wikipedia's standards.

Everyone is, of course, free to express their opinions. But the goal here is to facilitate a discussion that ultimately leads to a rough consensus. In light of this, I stand by my previous comment, asserting that the article is encyclopedic in nature and deserves to be kept updated. There is little value in revisiting the discussion repeatedly without new grounds for argument.

Dear colleague @ Phil Bridger, if I have missed anything in my thoughts, I invite you as an active user to make your additions, please take a look to create objectivity.- Samral ( talk) 07:37, 17 June 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Delete – the sources presented here and in the article do not satisfy our basic criteria for biographies. There are several mentions in passing, but no in-depth coverage, certainly not from multiple reliable independent sources. – bradv 00:58, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Please note that failing to meet these criteria doesn't necessarily result in the deletion of the article. These are merely guidelines that some editors keep in mind when deciding whether to retain an article, along with relevant policies and instructions like Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. In other words, these rules have been written by Wikipedians. At the same time, an objective approach should be taken towards this issue. For instance, there is no e.g. PR (promo) in the text of the article itself.

Secondary sources reveal the significance of the individual, and there are other independent sources related to this, per the Additional criteria. While Wikipedia aims to feature humanity's most notable individuals as extensively as possible, it is not interested in including just anyone, for more detailed information see: WP:NOT.

What I want to point out is that Wikipedians in general have written guidelines for whether this or any other article can stay on Wikipedia, but they aren't specific, and this is their advantage. For example, you and I don't exactly know what a "notable individual" is, or we don't have clear standards for it.

Before making this remark, I took note of several individuals associated with martial arts. While they may not be widely recognized by the public, they are nonetheless represented on English Wikipedia:

There could potentially be hundreds of such names, many of which might even be mythical. It's crucial to consider that if an individual who established a school in a city merits an English Wikipedia page, then it is logically consistent for the founder of a burgeoning world federation to also have a Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.191.59.132 ( talk) 13:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

  • last reply I kindly request that when finalizing the discussion and accepting the consensus for the benefit of the page, please do not overlook the last presented arguments.

I saw the announcement for a documentary named "ALPAGUT" on the widely watched Turkic-language channel TRT Belgesel. It's set to air on 25 June 22:00 UTC+3. It's noted in the news that Farid Alizade has given an interview for this documentary. This can serve as a source here.

For those who are interested in learning more about Alizade, I am sharing links in three different languages in English, на Русском, Azərbaycan Türkcəsində

I am inviting my colleagues whom I trust and hope will not remain indifferent to this, @ Beshogur, @ Xaneqînî, @ Moguy. Thanks in advance.-- ETIBARMEMMEDOV TT me 20:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Keep Thank you Etibar. I support keeping this page. I think he is significant enough to have a wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moguy ( talk • contribs)
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