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The result was delete. Deor ( talk) 12:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Family of Narendra Modi
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This is a BLP issue as it is an anecdotal narration of multiple private individuals with no independent notability. The sources are all anecdotal statements made in the context of Modi. The family is not independently notable like the Gandhis or Thackerays and coverage is never for the family but about how Modi has interacted with individual members of his family in terms of individual anecdotes. Given the various possibly BLP issues surrounding private individuals, there isn't a case for merging either. — Spaceman Spiff 03:54, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete Nothing notable for a standalone wikipedia article . --Vigyani talk ਯੋਗਦਾਨ 04:55, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Hey Bhagwan! Delete this. Where do people come up with these ideas? As said at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jashodaben, we should have a Narendra Modi's paraphernalia in non-article space for editors to practice such Modi essays. §§ Dharmadhyaksha§§ { T/ C} 06:16, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- DeleteNothing notable. Narendra Modi is notable, this does not mean his entire family is notable. Please remember notability is not inherited. Wannabeeditor6 ( talk) 08:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable. Can't inherit notability. Cowlibob ( talk) 10:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Be allowed to exit and get developed into a better article like Family of Barack Obama Shyamsunder ( talk) 22:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Numerous news articles about the family members of Narendra Modi have been published, and continue to be published. The family members of Narendra Modi are remarkably different from the members of the Nehru family (ordinary vs. elite, low class vs rich, low caste vs high caste) and thus make a compelling story, something that narendra Modi himself frequently referred to during the campaign. I am quite sure we will hear a lot more about them in future. Ann Dunham is notable because she was the mother of Barrak Obama, Kamla Nehru was notable because she was wife of Jawaharlal Nehru. Even Princess Diana was initial notable just because she married Prince Charles. The mother of Narendra Modi played a significant though symbolic role in the India-Pakistan diplomacy by accepting Nawaz Sharif's gift. Malaiya ( talk) 01:04, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
- Dunham, Nehru and Diana did much more than marry or birth politicians. Modi speaking about his family is
WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and newspapers printing his quotes is just the same. You being quite sure of we hearing a lot more about them in future is a prophecy which we will handle when it comes true. §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
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Ann Dunham probably received any press coverage ever. She is notable only as the mother of
Barrak Obama.
Kamla Nehru never did anything notable, she did give birth to
Indira Gandhi.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Malaiya (
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- "Probably" in your first statement says all about it. And get your history brushed up. Nehru was active in freedom struggle and had been arrested at least twice by Britishers in 1930 & 31; once for lead a women's team in looting the foreign-made clothes under Swadeshi Andolan and second time for reiterating the
Purna Swaraj speech. She also was President of Allahabad Congress Committee. §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
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- While I am quite sure I will not convince you, let me mention the following. I am quite familiar with the Nehru family and their relatives (see for example
Hutheesing family). Ann Dunham and Kamla Nehru are quite worthy of inclusion ( स्त्रीणां शतानि शतशो जनयन्ति पुत्रान् । नान्या सुतं त्वदुपमं जननी प्रसूता). As you know, Kamala Nehru was a simple wife (neglected by Jawaharlal and his family as you may have read), but she did participate in the freedom movement as Jawaharalal's proxy, and Indians are deeply grateful for her sacrifices. Here are the
newsreports about Ann Dunham during 1961-1965.
Malaiya (
talk) 22:58, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- The Hutheesing family article is another one that needs to be brought forward for deletion. — Spaceman Spiff 04:25, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- While I am quite sure I will not convince you, let me mention the following. I am quite familiar with the Nehru family and their relatives (see for example
Hutheesing family). Ann Dunham and Kamla Nehru are quite worthy of inclusion ( स्त्रीणां शतानि शतशो जनयन्ति पुत्रान् । नान्या सुतं त्वदुपमं जननी प्रसूता). As you know, Kamala Nehru was a simple wife (neglected by Jawaharlal and his family as you may have read), but she did participate in the freedom movement as Jawaharalal's proxy, and Indians are deeply grateful for her sacrifices. Here are the
newsreports about Ann Dunham during 1961-1965.
Malaiya (
talk) 22:58, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- "Probably" in your first statement says all about it. And get your history brushed up. Nehru was active in freedom struggle and had been arrested at least twice by Britishers in 1930 & 31; once for lead a women's team in looting the foreign-made clothes under Swadeshi Andolan and second time for reiterating the
Purna Swaraj speech. She also was President of Allahabad Congress Committee. §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
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C} 05:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
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Ann Dunham probably received any press coverage ever. She is notable only as the mother of
Barrak Obama.
Kamla Nehru never did anything notable, she did give birth to
Indira Gandhi.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Malaiya (
talk •
contribs) 21:45, 19 June 2014
- Dunham, Nehru and Diana did much more than marry or birth politicians. Modi speaking about his family is
WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and newspapers printing his quotes is just the same. You being quite sure of we hearing a lot more about them in future is a prophecy which we will handle when it comes true. §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
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C} 05:34, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. Although Narendra Modi's family has received significant news coverage, every mention of his family in the sources is because of their relationship with Narendra Modi. Thus NOTINHERITED applies, and the article should be deleted or turned into a redirect. The stuff about the "remarkably different" family is mostly derived from Modi's own speeches; if ever there is substantive material written about it, then perhaps recreating this may be considered. The examples given above are not relevant; most of those individuals may have started out as simply "wife of XYZ" or some such, but eventually became notable in their own right. Also, OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Vanamonde93 ( talk) 05:20, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete The family is not notable and haven't done anything particularly notable (good or bad). Just another fan piece that should be deleted forthwith. -- regentspark ( comment) 14:00, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete There is nothing here that can't be suitably summarized in the Early life and education section of the Narendra Modi article. There is no independent notability, and most of this article reads as "X is related to Modi. X is not notable. Wow, isn't that notable". Well, not for an encyclopedia. Abecedare ( talk) 18:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: We do have
Family of Barack Obama whose only notability being it is the "family of Barak Obama", I've voted delete at the modi's wife AfD, but looking at this AfD makes me agnostic.
wp:OSE will rule here
Malaiya
Yogesh Khandke (
talk) 10:11, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Seems we have the "Family of Modi" subject of notable third party mention; "Modi's family: From obscurity to living under the spotlight", [1], "For Narendra Modi's Family, Celebrations and Anticipation", [2] "Reluctantly famous", [3] Did you know who are there in Narendra Modi's family?, [4] At a glance: Narendra Modi's family members, [5] For Narendra Modi's Family, Celebrations and Anticipation [6] Op argues that "coverage is never for the family" the above sources evidence that allegation is misplaced. Yogesh Khandke ( talk) 10:30, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Nobody besides him in the family is notable to have a separate article. If you want, you can merge it with his article but separate article does not make sense. - Vivvt ( Talk) 11:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comparison For comparison with other similar/related articles on Wikipedia see:
- [ Category:Spouses of national leaders]- Malaiya ( talk) 21:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Google search for prominent family members
English and Gujarati searches: Gujarati searches will result in fewer hits but will return more local information, some of which does not appear in English.
- Delete This article is an example of recentism. There is not enough here to justify the article. "Other stuff exists" is not a good argument. This material would be much better covered in the Modi article where it merits inclusion in the encyclopedia at all. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:49, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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