- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Draftify to give the new editor time to improve the article and demonstrate notability. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Emay (rapper)
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Very highly advertorialized
WP:BLP of a musician, not
reliably sourced as passing
WP:NMUSIC. As written, this is committing one of the worst campaigns of
reference bombing I've ever seen -- there are literally 290 footnotes here, but on a rough count approximately 280 of them are unreliable and non-notability supporting junk: I've ticked off roughly 118 blogs, 44 online music stores, 33 streaming platforms, 24 podcasts, 19
user-generated databases like Genius and discogs.com and DeviantArt, 13 social networking links like last.fm and Facebook, 21 glancing namechecks of his existence in sources that are not about him, two Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself in the first person, four citations to his own self-published website about himself, one piece in a university student newspaper (but NMUSIC specifically deprecates student media as not appropriate for use in musical BLPs at all), and two citations that I can't even identify why they're here as they completely fail to even mention Emay at all. And while there are a few better sources (like a Vice piece that is actually about him) hiding in the weeds, the existence of a few good sources does not legitimize relying 95 per cent on bad ones, or exempt the article from having to be written in a
neutral point of view.
The article, further, was created by an
WP:SPA who appears to be here solely to promote Emay, meaning that this is most likely either an
autobiography, or
commercial publicity being pushed by his management team.
So no prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can write the article objectively and reference it properly to reliable sources -- but Wikipedia is not a free public relations platform on which musicians are automatically entitled to have articles just because they exist, and nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be written and sourced a lot better than this.
Bearcat (
talk) 17:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 17:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 17:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet any of our notability guidelines for musicians. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 12:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
I am the original creator of the page and would like to clarify a few things. I am not Emay or his management team and I did not create this account to promote Emay. I intend to continue adding to other wikipedia pages, but I thought creating a page from scratch would be instructive. I didn't know what reference bombing was until the page got flagged for deletion and was simply trying to be thorough with my citations. Since the article was flagged I have removed 237 references and I have moved some links to the External Links section (although I am still unsure whether that edit was appropriate; feel free to remove the links if it wasn't appropriate). I have yet to read all of the guidlines on what are good and bad arguments to keep a page so forgive me if these are bad arguments. The main argument against the article seems to be that the subject is not notable enough. I disagree and would like to point out that the subject has references from Vice Music, Spin Magazine, Complex Magazine (unsure whether this one counts), Fader Magazine, The Come Up Show, The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and various other magazines and local news sources. Thank you for taking the time to review the article. TipsyElephant ( talk) 15:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- Draftify this fan-created wall. Potentially, I see he could be notable, but there's still too much stuff. Otherwise, it risks being deleted per WP:TNT. Bearian ( talk) 19:56, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
(This content is from the talk page. I'm still unfamiliar with what a talk page is supposed to be, but according bearcat I shouldn't be putting this stuff in there and I think this is the most important segment) John Pack Lambert has suggested that Emay "does not meet any of our notability guidelines for musicians", however, Notability (music) states that an artist is notable if they have "released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)". Emay has released an album with Last Gang Records, which has a history of 17 years and a roster available on wikipedia of 63 different artists. Emay has also released an album with Jet Jam, which according to wikipedia has a history of 8 years and according to Jet Jam's website has signed at least 8 artists. Notability (music) states that an artist "may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria" and from a quick glance Emay meets four of them (1, 5, 6, and 7). TipsyElephant ( talk) 15:30, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Draftify. This appears to be a good-faith effort by a new editor, and there's some reasonable arguments in the comment directly above why this might meet WP:NMUSIC. Unfortunately, by moving it directly into mainspace, the author failed to avail themselves of review, which might have solved some of the problems with this article. If it's moved back into draft space, the author can take the time to work on the article, get more familiar with our notability guidelines, and (no promises) eventually it might get moved back to mainspace via the normal WP:AfC review process. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:04, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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