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The result was Delete all but one. Locust Mount, Virginia is the only one with any arguments for keep. Everything else has a consensus for deletion. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 05:18, 11 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Davis Wharf, Virginia

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Nominating along with

Nominating many articles here to not clog up anything too much, even though I am doing this in good faith.

Davis Wharf isn't a community; it's a literal wharf in Belle Haven, as seen on this Google Maps listing: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Davis+Wharf+Marine+Service,+Inc./@37.5527843,-75.878023,453m/ Newspapers.com gives results for people from "Davis Wharf", but I'm not sure if that indicates a community.

Deep Hole and High Woods are likely not communities, either. Newspapers.com has a few mentions of a "Deep Hole Road", but nothing indicating a community. No results about "High Woods" on Newspapers.com.

Johnson Corner and Nash Corner are literal road corners. Both were mentioned in this AfD as being proposed for deletion, but weren't mentioned past that: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Allen_Shop_Corner,_Virginia

No results about Johnson Corner on Newspapers.com. Unsure if the results about Nash Corner are relevant.

Locust Mount is near a "Locust Mount Drive", but seems to be a road where a junkyard and a few houses are, not a community. A few results on Newspapers.com mention a route from "Locustville to Locust Mount".

Mears Station was likely a railroad station, on a road named Mears Station Road, but not a community. Mostly references to the road on Newspapers.com.

I have no clue what Mount Nebo and Mount Zion are, but they don't seem like either communities or mountains to me. Mount Nebo and Mount Zion on Newspapers.com pull up results about a Mount Nebo and a New Mount Zion Baptist church.

I also don't know what Mutton Hunk, Old Trower, Parker Landing, Persimmon Point, and Trower are, but they also don't seem like communitites.

I see one person being listed as "born in Mutton Hunk" and a W.J. Baker in Mutton Hunk, VA on Newspapers.com, but don't know if that means it's a community.

Absolutely no results for Old Trower and Parker Landing on Newspapers.com.

One result about a Persimmon Point: https://www.newspapers.com/image/80094037/?terms=%22persimmon%20point%22%20Accomack%20County&match=1

South Point might have been a map marker for the southernmost direction of the county? A few mentions of people living in or being from South Point or things that happened at the "south point", but I don't know if that means anything about a community.

Trower is very hard to parse through, first result is about someone with the surname Trower arrested in the county, but no community. wizzito | say hello! 03:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Delete all Mass-produced GNIS junk. For Mount Zion, for example, topo shows a Mount Zion Church, not that that's a community, notable or otherwise. Neighborhoods would require some significant coverage. Reywas92 Talk 17:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all Made as part of an article-creation campaign at a rate of one every ~30 seconds, zero care was taken when creating these articles, all of which fail WP:GEOLAND as even if the populated (which we do not have a reliable source for as GNIS is not reliable for this) they are not legally recognised through e.g., incorporation. Wikipedia is not a gazetteer so we should not simply reproduce information from GNIS here, but only that part which is notable under the various guidelines, in the form of encyclopaedia articles. FOARP ( talk) 17:29, 7 November 2021 (UTC) reply
Weak delete Davis Wharf, I can find a number of old references to houses for sale at Davis Wharf or people being "from" Davis Wharf, and it was apparently a site where the mail came in, but couldn't find evidence that it was viewed as a community, rather than just a vague neighborhood. Anyway, no coverage I saw was significant.
Delete Deep Hole, searching is difficult, but I can find nothing significant - references to a large estate along the Potomac, a point in the James River where dredging sand was dumped, and references to Deep Hole Road.
Delete High Woods - hard to search for, but I didn't bring up anything useful. If someone can find something I missed, willing to reconsider.
Delete Johnson Corner - I found nothing to indicate that this is anything other than a named road junction. Any development in the area sees to be related to the nearby Arcadia High School (Virginia) and the railroad point Horsey, Virginia. If this article is deleted, Johnson Corner, Virginia should be G14'd.
Weak keep Locust Mount, per this. I'm struggling to find much more, but this one was at least a legitimate community in the 1840s, and it looks like it needs more individual attention than the bulk-mass here. Ken Gallager moved this to the CDP section of the county community template last month, is there census material about this?
Delete Mears Station, all I can turn up is an Army dirigible becoming stranded here, and references to businesses operated by a Mr. Mears in Keller, Virginia
Delete Mount Nebo - All I can turn is a Masons lodge elsewhere in the state, the biblical mountain, various churches in other places, and a rail station in Ohio.
Delete Mount Zion - almost impossible to search for, but everything seems to be about Christian schools and churches elsewhere
Delete Mutton Hunk - mainly finding a modern park and 1890s and 1900s amateur baseball teams looking for Mutton Hunk. Found this, but Branch Valley seems to only be bringing up stuff from other locations.

Don't have time to look at the other six right now. Hog Farm Talk 21:04, 7 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Delete Nash Corner - apparently just a road junction, just turning up a couple stray passing mentions and a car dealership in Newport News.
Delete Old Trower - nothing anywhere close to significant coverage.
Delete Parker Landing - Just about everything significant I turned up was for a location in Pennsylvania.
Delete Persimmon Point - found a reference to developed housing in York County, but all I can find for this is references to buoy markers and navigational lights.

Hog Farm Talk 22:55, 7 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Delete South Point - not finding much I can tie down to this location, which I guess makes sense because GNIS originates from a National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, and a lot of the GNIS pickups from NGIA maps seem to be false positives.
Delete Trower - pretty much just finding last names.

Hog Farm Talk 23:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Keep Locust Mount - There is population and area information available from the 2020 census; I can circle back and flesh it out. -- Ken Gallager ( talk) 00:16, 8 November 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - Re: Locust Mount, simply being listed in the census does not mean that the location was ever legally recognised as required for presumed notability under WP:GEOLAND #1. Nor, also, does having a post office, since post offices may be anywhere and were/are often just an adjunct to a store. There's one piece of potential RS coverage linked above but we really need a second for a WP:GNG pass. FOARP ( talk) 08:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: As Hog Farm's judgment is generally sound in matters of GNIS stubs, I would be inclined to agree with them on principle, but fifteen articles is far too many to individually consider in one nomination. Reviewing sources for one geostub AfD typically takes me around ten to twenty minutes -- so I'm looking at an AfD that would require several hours to make a !vote on. I'd recommend withdrawing this and renominating them individually... jp× g 04:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC) reply
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