The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Article's subject is found to lack the requisite notability for inclusion. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 03:06, 7 February 2017 (UTC) reply

David Bradish

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Moving to AfD after the article creator attempted to remove the PROD tag. Concerns were raised at WP:BLPN [1] that the page was a largely promotional orphaned article that had been around for over a year without improvement and no indication that it might meet our inclusion standards. Upon reviewing the article and the artists discography, I do not think he passes WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. He is credited on albums from major labels, but always as a part of a group and never independently. There is no independent media coverage of him to satisfy GNG and combined with the article's promotional tone, it should be deleted. TonyBallioni ( talk) 17:41, 28 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:28, 28 January 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete massive - I followed WP:BEFORE and found nothing to support this biography. There are no independent reporting sources, in violation of WP:PRIMARY - it's a vanity promotional article. Govindaharihari ( talk) 19:04, 28 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• There is something to be said for the fact that the WP:MUSICBIO requirements favor musicians living in communities that receive a large amount of media coverage and are accessed by commercial music institutions. Cuba, where David Bradish has spent much of his career, is not such a place, and even its clearly genuine leading musicians receive little authenticated coverage. For example, the David Bradish page refers to Pucho Lopez. A google search of Pucho Lopez returns this hit in Spanish: https://www.cibercuba.com/noticias/2012/09/15/muere-pucho-lopez-uno-de-los-arreglistas-mas-famosos-de-cuba, indicated that Mr. Lopez is real and quite well known. Yet he has no Wikipedia page. If there were a Pucho Lopez page, it would potentially link to a David Bradish page, making that page no longer an orphan. I agree that the vast majority of this page does not satisfy GNG, however I would encourage the creator to attempt to modify it and edit down the content in a way that might meet those standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.236.248 ( talk) 20:01, 28 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete - the problem is not that it's an orphan, but that the subject doesn't meet notability guidelines, despite what appears to be a long and varied career. I'm sure there's some place for this type of biography, but I don't think it's here. The is certainly an argument that Pucho López might be notable enough for an article, but that's not really the issue here. Shritwod ( talk) 20:09, 28 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• Maybe it would be best if the creator made pages for the bands Fred's Laundry and Sad Motion and artists who had played with David Bradish, such as Pucho Lopez, which would meet notability guidelines, and David Bradish could be mentioned in those articles. This might be the most appropriate way to publish this content on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.236.248 ( talk) 20:01, 28 January 2017 (UTC) reply

• David has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published: Aftonbladet is a Swedish tabloid published in Stockholm, Sweden. It is one of the larger daily newspapers in the Nordic countries.Expressen is one of two nationwide evening tabloid newspapers in Sweden, the other being Aftonbladet. Both on Wikipedia. Both newspapers have mentioned David separately many times on different occasions as David Bradish himself or as Mr Bradish when he worked as an independent artist - musician and also several mentions as a member of a band (main leader / singer of a band / bands). Articles don't report performance dates, release information or track listings. All of them underline David's achievements and engagement into social actions and projects (together with the Red Cross, national radio, public schools in Sweden and more). Some of the archives show private and officially signed letters e.g. from editors-in-chief or presidents of mentioned above newspapers and institutions / organizations. There is also a mention about David who was called publicly as the first King of Karaoke in a history of Sweden, when the country hadn't known yet what Karaoke is, back to 80s and 90s. If that's too little we can start gathering more press and media archives when David comes back from Cuba.

He was invited there another year in a row as a representative from Sweden to take part in the biggest and well known Havana Jazz Festival. I truly recommend to read a part concerning his engagement in Cuba.

I also disagree with the suggestion that the article has a promotional tone. If so, we can delete all links to all his personal platforms. Wikipedia article on David is nothing more than a life story told by a man who remembers 50s and the change of the world. He witnessed all social, political and economical changes through all these years. His struggle with American and Swedish system concerning private life and music. It is not a self promotion nor product placement and for sure not a paid material. I decided to write about David after seeing him on a stage and listen to many stories told by his friends, band members and so on. I am a journalist and writer and it is easy to check me up on Linkedin without any problem - you are more than welcome.

I disagree with the mark that "He is credited on albums from major labels, but always as a part of a group and never independently".

David released 3 albums on a major record labels (CBS, Sir Lancelot) both as a single artist under the name Mr. Bradish (there is a story on this in the article) and together with bands he established or was invited to perform with.

Has became one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city. As the only musician in Sweden he brought closer Karaoke to the swedish audience. He released first ever rap single. Sweden was too rural for rap music back to 70s and 80s. ”The Bureaucratic Boogie" was released in 1984 and was the Swedish first ever rap single. Mentioned by Aftonbladet press. He made a huge impact on rising awareness among Swedish students and society, while teaming up with the Red Cross, Save the children, Swedish Tv stations (Youtube still keeps this video) and Swedish radio, creating two huge projects - Dancers Who care and People Who Care - as a response to the Catastrophe in Ethiopia.

Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio in Sweden and Sky Channel in London (long before MTV had appeared).

On his website you can find all voice overs he did for big companies such as Carlsberg, MTV, Panasonic and more. Recordings these companies have sent are uploaded to his website. That's why I made this website as a main source of information.

I would like to receive clear and simple answers what I should submit to keep this article. If you still think that it has promotional tone, please show me which parts and we can calm the tone a bit if needed. Please take a note that this musician is 72 and some evidence such as private contracts with Labels etc. might be provided after his death.

As I mentioned earlier, everything requires time. Especially when the artist is alive, still active and hard to reach due to his age and travels. I started creating this article, linking up names believing that someone will start continuing my work. Some names I bolded out in red to encourage others to extend it and create other profiles of great artists that worked their fingers off through their whole lives without being addicted to flash lights and cameras. Real, talented artist not those puppets created by agencies. Agata Mayer ( talk) 20:40, 28 January 2017 (UTC)Agata Mayer reply

• Delete as fails to meet WP:GNG. The references, though plentiful, are all self-published. This is a vanity article. Lincolnite ( talk) 23:16, 6 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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