- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. A rename/redirect/merge has been proposed late in this discussion, with no subsequent discussion. This "Keep" should not be considered a factor against taking one of those actions if a consensus can be reached to do so on the article talk page or other discussion venue. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 10:12, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Dave Weasel
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Subject previously deleted at AfD, still appears to fail both WP:GNG and WP:ENTERTAINER. I am unable to find significant in depth coverage from multiple reliable sources. The one incident that did garner some very limited coverage appears to have been considered and discarded in the previous AfD. He has made it onto some charts since then so I am not calling for a G4 speedy here. But I am not seeing a real claim to notability. Am I missing something? Ad Orientem ( talk) 20:09, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - It's not just any chart, he's number one on the official Billboard comedy chart which is backed by Nielsen SoundScan, which factors in all retail stores, proving he has the top-selling comedy album in the world at the moment. This certainly proves notability. It is also sourced and referenced that he also had the top viewed and shared satire news stories of 2016.-- YeahImadethis ( talk) 21:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- As far as I know the only area where charts are a factor in ringing the WP:N bell is for music. We require significant and in depth coverage from multiple reliable sources. I'm not seeing it. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 21:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- WP:ENTERTAINER covers comedians. 1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. A comedy album charting that well counts as one significant role. What else has he done? Dream Focus 21:59, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- It also says "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." he has over half a million followers on his "verified" twitter account, though it is not sourced on this page. Another consideration is "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." and being the top selling current comedian in the world should count as prolific and significant, and his news satire stories being shared/viewed that much and the coverage on it should be unique. Apologies for the length. --
YeahImadethis (
talk) 22:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- The number of followers that a person has on social media is irrelevant to notability or lack thereof. To count as fulfilling the "large fan base or significant cult following" criterion, a claim has to be
reliably sourceable to evidence of real-world impact (e.g. a fan club organizing a full-on "fans of Dave Weasel" convention attended by hundreds or thousands of people from all over the world) — how many people clicked "like" on a piece of
user-generated content has nothing to do with it. And every single person who exists at all could always claim that their contributions in their field were "unique", by simple virtue of the fact that their contributions were theirs instead of somebody else's, so simply listing the things a person did does not satisfy that criterion either — that criterion is passed by
reliable source coverage analyzing the ways in which the person's contributions were innovative and influential on people who came after them, not by simply listing his workography and deeming it inherently "unique" just because it's his.
Bearcat (
talk) 17:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- That is fair, you are correct. Comedians should be held to their own standard seperate from actors and other public figures as they are more like musicians in that they rely on ticket, album, stream sales for their craft. Just a thought. -- YeahImadethis ( talk) 16:58, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- The number of followers that a person has on social media is irrelevant to notability or lack thereof. To count as fulfilling the "large fan base or significant cult following" criterion, a claim has to be
reliably sourceable to evidence of real-world impact (e.g. a fan club organizing a full-on "fans of Dave Weasel" convention attended by hundreds or thousands of people from all over the world) — how many people clicked "like" on a piece of
user-generated content has nothing to do with it. And every single person who exists at all could always claim that their contributions in their field were "unique", by simple virtue of the fact that their contributions were theirs instead of somebody else's, so simply listing the things a person did does not satisfy that criterion either — that criterion is passed by
reliable source coverage analyzing the ways in which the person's contributions were innovative and influential on people who came after them, not by simply listing his workography and deeming it inherently "unique" just because it's his.
Bearcat (
talk) 17:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- It also says "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." he has over half a million followers on his "verified" twitter account, though it is not sourced on this page. Another consideration is "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." and being the top selling current comedian in the world should count as prolific and significant, and his news satire stories being shared/viewed that much and the coverage on it should be unique. Apologies for the length. --
YeahImadethis (
talk) 22:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 05:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 05:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, but flag for improvement. Topping the comedy albums chart on Billboard certainly is a credible notability claim for a comedian — strafing the bottom edges of the chart for a week or two probably wouldn't be, but reaching #1 certainly demonstrates a significant following — but the article does still need to be referenced better than it is right now, to more evidence of reliable source coverage about him, supporting more content than just stating that "he exists, the end", before it can be considered a good article. Bearcat ( talk) 17:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:27, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:27, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - #1 Billboard Comedy album (and verified) is a very strong indicator of notability. Readers will want encyclopedic information about this topic. Currently we don't do much of that, and it may not be possible yet, but there is a little bit of useful, verified information which is better than nothing, therefore Wikipedia is a better encyclopedia with this article. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 20:01, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- Rename and redirect to I'm 30. There's very little coverage on Weasel, certainly not enough to pass WP:GNG. If he were a business person known for working at only one notable company, the consensus would be to include his info in that company article. In this case the album has almost no coverage either, but did hit #1 on the Billboard Comedy chart. Also interesting that he did a fake article for his fake paper, which apparently went quite viral, but here's still no corresponding profile coverage of him or the paper. I found this archive btw - which must be the deleted article, and also has limited sources. [ [1]] Since WP:TOOSOON also comes to mind, this is better off as an album article. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:24, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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