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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 23:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Darfur campaign
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No updates or evidence of a campaign Jebiguess ( talk) 17:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC) Is there any evidence of a true "campaign" in Darfur? This page has been up since the beginning of the war in Sudan, and seldom edited since. There are only two battles mentioned, the battle of Geneina and the battle of Nyala, capitals of West and South Darfur respectively. The other city mentioned is Kabkabiya, which hasn't been edited to even mention a link for it's page, and the only incident in Kabkabiya was the killing of three WFP staff early in the war.
Other Darfuri cities and capitals, such as Zalingei, Ed Daein, and El Fasher are not mentioned in the article, with the latter mentioned in the infobox. Cities like Kutum, Sirba, Misterei, Kubum, and others are also not mentioned at all, likely due to the lack of editing on this page.
While all of these issues can be solved with a ton of editing, what is the big picture here? There is no evidence showing that there is a connected military campaign by the Rapid Support Forces or Sudanese army in Darfur, with goals of capturing one town to move to the next. In state capitals, with the exception of Ed Daein, the pattern has been a siege or attempted siege by RSF/Janjaweed against a garrison of Sudanese forces, with varying degrees of success. This is no different than El Obeid or parts of Omdurman for that matter, so why is Darfur singled out? For non-capital cities like Kutum and Misterei, it's primarily been local militias against the Janjaweed, which are moreso Arab tribal fighters than coordinated RSF. [1]
Essentially, I'm proposing this page be deleted because it was WP:CRYSTALBALLing the War in Sudan, and that there's little evidence of a coordinated campaign by any side, nor is the military tactics used any different than other regions of Sudan (with the exception of Khartoum due to urban warfare).
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Sudan. Shellwood ( talk) 10:58, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Missing updates and not being complete is not a cause for deletion + not sure about if WP:CRYSTALBALL fits/applies here as the article is not what nom propose. In essence, the page refer to the fight in the Darfur region during the War in Sudan (2023). Many sources use similar wording to describe warring in the region, see UN Dispatch, AP, The New Humanitarian and Progressive. We might need to start discussing moving the page to War in Darfur (2023) FuzzyMagma ( talk) 19:36, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:04, 3 October 2023 (UTC)- Keep: It just needs updating, thats alll Lukt64 ( talk) 18:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:15, 10 October 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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