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The result was no consensus (non-admin closure) —  Jkudlick •  t •  c •  s 16:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC) reply

Dániel Nagy (racing driver)

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A 17 year-old that has made a grand total of one start in a middling touring car series. Hardly meets WP:NMOTORSPORT or the WP:GNG, and quite possibly it's WP:TOOSOON for their own article. QueenCake ( talk) 20:40, 19 February 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep Clearly he's competing in a well known competition. He is also an international competitor. May be young, but should be accessible if someone wants to learn about him and his stats. -- CaligirlTay89 ( talk) 21:01, 19 February 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete. I'm leaning more toward GNG as the reason for the delete rather than NMOTORSPORT, since the article cites all of one newspaper article about him. Remember that the subject has to already be notable to have an article; we can't create one in anticipation of future notability. If there is more coverage of Nagy in newspapers in the future, or if he races on a major circuit, then let's create an article for him. However, I think QueenCake hit the nail on the head: it's too soon to start an article for him. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. — C.Fred ( talk) 21:11, 19 February 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep Well clearly i wouldnt have created the article if i didnt think it lived up to the rules. So keeping it makes sense. CGM 20 ( talk) 12:44, 20 February 2016 (UTC) reply

CGM 20, would you care to share why you think he meets the notability guidelines? As C.Fred says, he doesn't really meet GNG as there is nothing more than a WP:ROUTINE news report about his one-off appearance. If he gets more coverage in the future, which he will if he starts racing full time in a notable series, then the article can be recreated. QueenCake ( talk) 17:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC) reply

QueenCake, well it cleary meets WP:NMOTORSPORT.

Taken from WP:NMOTORSPORT:
Have driven in a race in a fully professional series. A fully professional series is one where prize money is not trivial compared to the cost of the series. For example, the SCCA Trans-Am Series is considered professional while the SCCA Spec Miata National Championship isn't.

This says in a race not more than one race. I agree that it might not meet WP:GNG, but it did get a fairly good coverage. Considering that TCR International was in its first season. CGM 20 ( talk) 09:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC) reply

I don't see how TCR International counts as a fully professional series. It's full of amateurs and teenagers (like Nagy), with some professional drivers making up the top of the field. There also isn't any significant prize money on offer, though that's an odd way of defining a professional series as that would exclude Formula One. (Frankly that whole guideline needs to be rewritten, as the wording does not match the intent of the guideline, but that's another argument) QueenCake ( talk) 16:50, 22 February 2016 (UTC) reply

Surely the caliber of drivers doesnt define if the series is fully professional or not. TCR International goes to most of the same circuits and continents as WTCC has been going to or still does and that series surely IS fully professional. So please tell me why TCR International doesnt count as a "fully professional series"? CGM 20 ( talk) 09:16, 23 February 2016 (UTC) reply

Of course it does. What else will? I could name you dozens of events that use top class circuits, but that hardly makes them professional. It's a fully professional series when the drivers are all professionals, i.e. they are earning a wage. TCR has a mixture of professionals, rookies and gentleman drivers, so it is not fully professional. QueenCake ( talk) 21:47, 23 February 2016 (UTC) reply

So from what your saying not even WTCC is a fully professional series? or BTCC? Because there are pay drivers in both and AFAIK pay drivers doesnt earn a wage. CGM 20 ( talk) 08:23, 24 February 2016 (UTC) reply

You're confusing pay drivers and gentlemen drivers. Pay drivers are professionals who have made a lifelong career of motorsport that gain a seat thanks to their sponsorship package, and are then paid a salary by the team like any other driver (effectively, it comes out of the sponsorship pot). Gentlemen drivers are amateurs, often wealthy businessmen or women or even the occasional famous face, who have a day job and a salary elsewhere and are paying out of their own pocket to take part. There are classes right up to GTE-Am at Le Mans that cater to them. So by the wording of WP:NMOTORSPORT, which clearly specifies professionalism, only drivers who compete in series or classes that are fully professional are presumed notable. TCR, and the drivers who race in it, are not. QueenCake ( talk) 16:40, 25 February 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 17:34, 25 February 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 17:34, 25 February 2016 (UTC) reply

You said im getting confused? I do know the difference between pay drivers and gentlemen drivers and I was arguing that not ALL pay drivers actually gets a salary. Geez... TCR is just as professional i.e. notable as WTCC. But we are cleary not gonna agree on this i.e. get a consensus or similar on this subject in place, so lets leave it at that. We agree to disagree..... CGM 20 ( talk) 09:13, 26 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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