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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Countess Donata of Castell-Rüdenhausen

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There is no indication of notability in this article. It is all about whom she married and to whom she gave birth. Wikipedia is not a genealogy database, however. This person does not appear to have been covered extensively by reliable sources. Surtsicna ( talk) 18:06, 10 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna ( talk) 18:06, 10 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna ( talk) 18:06, 10 July 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete does not appear to be notable enough for an article. - dwc lr ( talk) 11:56, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete nothing in the article demonstrates notability beyond being born into aristocracy. JoelleJay ( talk) 19:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply
• Strong Keep: is the mother of the would-be Kaiser – i.e. head of the Hohenzollern family - Germany's former Imperial family. Her son has mounted no less than 120 legal cases against the press or reporters with regard to reporting accuracy. [1] So this would surely assist the English journos and others in getting biographical details right, and possibly avoiding lawyers when writing about Germany's royal family. Aside from that, the family retain a prominent national position due to historical legacies. They feature in the press: not just constantly in the tabloid press, but in respectable national press because of reparations cases. So it's useful to know, whatever one's political shading, who is who. A Google News search for "Donata Castell Rüdenhausen" brings 37 articles. HOWEVER, her Wiki article needs to be retitled with her Christian name before the term 'Countess' – as while it is what she would have been commonly called, it is not legally accurate. (Titles in Germany were abolished after WWI, but royals and aristocrats were permitted to incorporate them as names, which they have done.) ClearBreeze ( talk) 12:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

In the real world notability is commonly inherited, and an encyclopedia that aims to be comprehensive should reflect that. Informationally useful articles on minor royals and aristocrats are being deleted due to a cancel culture stemming from personal politics and/or personal resentment. The embittered individuals persisting in it, and for no other reasons, need to look at their own lives. It needs to be strongly resisted as it's utterly corrosive to Wikipedia. It's book burning. You want to do good? Try editing a Marcos family article, or the wildly-laudatory and distorted articles of other figures that are protected by Wiki gangs. Targeting the articles of harmless aristoeuros is really lame. ClearBreeze ( talk) 11:40, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete: No evidence of notability via WP:GNG or otherwise. Coverage consists solely of minor mentions from genealogy sites. Wikipedia is also explicitly not for recording genealogical information. — MarkH₂₁ ^talk 12:50, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Nothing in the article indicates notability. I attempted a Google News search as suggested by ClearBreeze (incidentally, now indefinitely blocked) and it did not produce anything (but I admit to not being certain I did it correctly). Supposing, hypothetically, that sources did exist somewhere that indicate notability, the current article would still be a case for WP:TNT: all of the content is either genealogical database cruft or utterly trivial padding ("She was raised Lutheran" um ok great). (Also, of course, there's the utterly ridiculous idea that a person born in 1950 held beginning in 1975 the title "Princess of Prussia".) -- JBL ( talk) 01:18, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.