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The result was keep. Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:22, 19 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Cones Lake

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It's a name on an old map, and everything else here seems to WP:OR, nothing verifiable by reliable sources. Fram ( talk) 12:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Cones lake is recognized on all topo maps of the region since 1936, not just present on one map. I have added a source from mindat.org, as well as photographs of the described features. KyleGorczynski ( talk) 14:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Please see Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Your (or someone else's photo's) are WP:OR, as are the claims in the article about the origin, naming, current status, ... If all we have for reliable sources are maps, then we shouldn't have a separate article on this artificial lake. Fram ( talk) 15:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. I searched Newspapers.com and found one mention, something like "so and so from Fayetteville spent last Sunday at Cones' Lake and enjoyed a picnic dinner". MB 00:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC) reply


With the new sources added, there is no valid reasons for deletion WP:DEL-REASON. I have included a mention from Newspapers.com that includes the many lakes of the Cone family, specifically referencing trout-stocked lakes, which includes this one. Additionally, Cones Lake is shown on every topographic map since 1936, including the most current ones. I do not know how to cite these without spamming the reference section, but if a user could specify how to include all of those, they can be added. The user above even confirmed that there was additional mentions of the lake, after only searching one source site. KyleGorczynski ( talk) 14:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC) There are no valid reasons for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KyleGorczynski ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC) reply

You mean this, which doesn't even mention Cones Lake, but discusses briefly Bass Lake and Trout Lake? How does that help in keeping Cones Lake? Fram ( talk) 14:59, 4 August 2022 (UTC) reply
You have sourced "The lake was used as a trout hatchery in the early 20th century to provide stocking fish for Trout Lake." to this article; please don't do this, your source does not support that claim, and adding it there as if it does is not acceptable. Fram ( talk) 15:01, 4 August 2022 (UTC) reply
I have removed the citation at your request, do you have any other issues with the article? There are multiple secondary sources including historical maps cited, as well as links to other prominent local features and locations. The photos are NOT citations or proof, they are simply photos that show the location. Nothing about adding my own photos violates Wikipedia's guidelines. As is, the article meets no WP:DEL-REASON. KyleGorczynski ( talk) 17:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Please read WP:GEOFEAT. You have nothing but maps (the one text source [1] doesn't mention Cones Lake). Fram ( talk) 11:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC) reply
You are clearly ignoring the other two sources, with one being from mindat.org, that do mention it by name. Additionally, WP:GEOFEAT specifically cites that dams on their own can be considered notable features. You seem to have some type of bias against this article and judging by your user history it seems you have a history of erring on the side of deletion in most articles that you are involved in. You have made claims here that are untrue and seek to undermine the page's reliability and notability. KyleGorczynski ( talk) 19:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Mindat? "Mindat.org relies on the contributions of thousands of members and supporters."? And even then it is just a name on a map. It has no text about the lake. Fram ( talk) 07:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Not sure what your point is on the user contribution aspect, but it certainly does name the lake by name and provide information about the lake. The mindat website is heavily used as a source in the geology and minerology world, and the wikipedia page on mindat certainly cites it as a relaible source. KyleGorczynski ( talk) 17:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC) reply

  • Keep: Okay, well... indeed, that "spent last Sunday" is the only newspaper result about the lake (out of a paltry eight results total), if you search for "Cones Lake". [1] But if you search for "Cone Lake", this causes the search engine to include "Cone's Lake"... giving us 140. Here are some of them that seem credible to me. It is important to note that there is another similarly named lake near Greensboro -- I am only including refs here where it mentions Blowing Rock. Here are ten, although I could easily go find more if necessary (I only went a couple screens down the results). [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] It looks to me like there's definitely enough between these to substantiate what the article says (including its ownership, purpose, construction, and some stuff that happened there over the years. jp× g 12:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - per JPxG, those do seem to show notability via WP:GNG, though it might be worth mentioning those alternate name differences in the lede. - Aoidh ( talk) 16:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ "Whitsett News". The Daily Times-News. Burlington, North Carolina. 1961-08-17. p. 36. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  2. ^ "Angler Spencer Expected Crappie, Landed Eight Pound Bass Instead". The High Point Enterprise. High Point, North Carolina. 1952-01-27. p. 34. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  3. ^ "Blowing Rock Notes". The Lenoir News. Lenoir, North Carolina. 1914-09-11. p. 3. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  4. ^ "Again Sojourning In Beauty Land". Watauga Democrat. Boone, North Carolina. 1914-08-06. p. 1. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  5. ^ "Solitude of the Hills". The Charlotte Observer. Charlotte, North Carolina. 1933-08-27. p. 30. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  6. ^ "Blowing Rock Items". Watauga Democrat. Boone, North Carolina. 1913-02-27. p. 2. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  7. ^ "Beautiful Dinner at "The Rock."". The Charlotte Observer. Charlotte, North Carolina. 1918-09-01. p. 17. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  8. ^ "Record numbers wade into trout streams". The Charlotte News. Charlotte, North Carolina. 1956-04-06. p. 21. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  9. ^ "Easter Event Scheduled In Blowing Rock". Asheville Citizen-Times. Asheville, North Carolina. 1951-03-09. p. 9. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  10. ^ "All Outdoors". The Charlotte Observer. Charlotte, North Carolina. 1953-08-01. p. 11. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  11. ^ "Cone's Fish Lake Dam Breaks". The Charlotte Observer. Charlotte, North Carolina. 1912-11-26. p. 4. Retrieved 2022-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
  • Delete of rename to Cone Lake and start over. From what I have found there are two different bodies of water - the notable lake is the 22 acre Cone Lake in Watauga County, NC which could pass WP:GEOLAND, and then we have our article on the artificial reservoir "Cones Lake" in a different county and my estimation is that it does not pass WP:GEOFEAT. Some sources also confuse the two and most of the google hits are just regurgitation of wiki. From maps we can see that Cones is not the same lake as Cone. Cones looks to be just a few acres. At that size it would not be called a lake by most standards - it would be called a pond. Lightburst ( talk) 18:39, 18 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Thanks to sources found by JPxG. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:29, 19 August 2022 (UTC) reply
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