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The result was redirect to Clear Lake Oaks. MBisanz talk 14:37, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Clear Lake Keys, California
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Another Lake County spot about which there is little information. The only things I could find were a reference to it as a large marina subdivision, and its POA. It exists, but there's not enough about it to make it notable. Mangoe ( talk) 02:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Do we consider these sort of GNIS entries "maps and tables" like
WP:NGEO excludes?
ThadeusOfNazereth
Talk to Me! 02:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- We consider them significantly problematic, per
Wikipedia:Reliability of GNIS data and
Wikipedia:WikiProject California/GNIS cleanup task force. That's why a group of people is systematically going through them checking them against things like books on springs and 19th century resorts of California, Arcadia Publishing local history books for various parts of California, and so forth. Sometimes it is a
Robert, California (
AfD discussion), sometimes a
Rice Fork Summer Homes, California (
AfD discussion) an
Ettawa Springs, California (
AfD discussion) or even a
Mount Hannah Lodge, California (
AfD discussion). This is the situation that mass article creation from GNIS data has put us in, and that's just California. Virginia has a bunch of articles that are probably about marker trees that used to be used for land surveys of people's properties. Then there's the rest of the United States, then tens of thousands of articles for Iran and Azerbaijan from
GEOnet.
Uncle G (
talk) 03:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Are you seious about Virginia and marker trees? Wikipedia has clearly valued quantity over quality way too much for way too long. This is a problem on hundreds of fronts, and it is so daunting that it seems as if there is no progress being made. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- We consider them significantly problematic, per
Wikipedia:Reliability of GNIS data and
Wikipedia:WikiProject California/GNIS cleanup task force. That's why a group of people is systematically going through them checking them against things like books on springs and 19th century resorts of California, Arcadia Publishing local history books for various parts of California, and so forth. Sometimes it is a
Robert, California (
AfD discussion), sometimes a
Rice Fork Summer Homes, California (
AfD discussion) an
Ettawa Springs, California (
AfD discussion) or even a
Mount Hannah Lodge, California (
AfD discussion). This is the situation that mass article creation from GNIS data has put us in, and that's just California. Virginia has a bunch of articles that are probably about marker trees that used to be used for land surveys of people's properties. Then there's the rest of the United States, then tens of thousands of articles for Iran and Azerbaijan from
GEOnet.
Uncle G (
talk) 03:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- I couldn't find this in three Arcadia books. Clearlake Oaks, California is the actual place according to Erwin Gustav Gudde's 1962 book on California place names. What little I've found is that this is a marina developed in the 1960s by one Marvin T. Levin … according to Marvin T. Levin in a self-help book. It is not independently documented in depth. Uncle G ( talk) 05:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete there is no evidence that this place is in any meaningful way a community. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:15, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge to Clear Lake Oaks, of which Clear Lake Keys is a sub-component of. While Clear Lake Keys certainly exists in the sense that looking at a map it's pretty clear what the name is referring to, it appears to be a subdivision of Clear Lake Oaks, which is a "populated, legally recognized place" per WP:GEOLAND notability clause. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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