- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. After two relistings, the arguments for 'keep' are more convincing than those for 'delete', particularly the fact that the CBE is, by consensus, considered an automatic pass of ANYBIO #1. Whether or not it should be, as argued by DGG, may or may not be so, but that is not a discussion that is in-venue at AfD. We must consider the articles by our existing policies, guidelines, and established consensuses. The Bushranger One ping only 02:12, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Christine Tacon
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I do not see how the position is notable , noro do I see tthat any of the sources offers independent coverage. A CBE by itself has never been held to confer notability , as it's a routine award for senior bureaucrats. DGG ( talk ) 06:28, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 12:08, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:27, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Comment, hi DGG, are you able to direct us non-veteran:)) editors to the discussion(s)/consensus about a cbe not contributing to notability?, my understanding is that there is only about 300(?) conferred each year so its not really that common, thanks. Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:31, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- My error: CBE and above are generally considered notable, MBE and OBE are not..--
[1] This may need revison, considering that the UK does not presently regard it as a "high award"
[2], and a UK official statement at
[3] "This is awarded for having a prominent but lesser role at national level, or a leading role at regional level" and I see that the UK does not presently regard it as a "high award"
[4].
- But in regard to thisindividual, the reported accomplishments do not show notability independent of the award, so I suggest that even if we maintain the general rule, it might be an exception.
DGG (
talk ) 20:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- thanks very much. Coolabahapple ( talk) 22:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- But in regard to thisindividual, the reported accomplishments do not show notability independent of the award, so I suggest that even if we maintain the general rule, it might be an exception.
DGG (
talk ) 20:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- My error: CBE and above are generally considered notable, MBE and OBE are not..--
[1] This may need revison, considering that the UK does not presently regard it as a "high award"
[2], and a UK official statement at
[3] "This is awarded for having a prominent but lesser role at national level, or a leading role at regional level" and I see that the UK does not presently regard it as a "high award"
[4].
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 15:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 15:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per coverage in reliable sources: BBC [5], Retail Week [6], [7]. Antrocent ( ♫♬) 21:36, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete for lack of sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. BBC, while looking impressive, is just an interview. The position of Groceries Code Adjudicator is not sufficiently significant to presume the officeholder would be notable. BLPs deserve better than this. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:15, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete I agree, the BBC is an interview and is therefore not intellectually independent for the purposes of establishing notability. -- HighKing ++ 14:30, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Recipient of the CBE, which we have always held to be notable per WP:ANYBIO #1. I really don't think that inclusion or not in arbitrary lists of 'high awards' is relevant. Wikipedia consensus is that recipients of these awards are notable, and rightly so. It is, for instance, the level of award given to very prominent actors and musicians who may fall slightly below the level required for a knighthood/damehood. Before appointment to her present post, Tacon spent twelve years as managing director of Co-operative Farms. She is now a senior civil servant. She holds the CBE. She has an entry in Who's Who. Yet claims here appear to be that she is less notable than a footballer who has played a single professional match or a one-hit wonder pop singer, who would both get articles without question! The 'logic' of Wikipedia editors astounds me sometimes... -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:49, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
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