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The result was delete. j⚛e decker talk 19:31, 20 December 2014 (UTC) reply

Christ Lutheran Church (Wichita, Kansas)

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Fails Notability (organizations and companies). The article is mostly about an infamous criminal who was president of the church council at the time of his arrest. TFD ( talk) 23:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:10, 13 December 2014 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:10, 13 December 2014 (UTC) reply
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  • keep pretty easy to find coverage. Granted that the notoriety came from association with the murder case, but there's enough to hold up a stub.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 03:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC) reply
    • Since it is pretty easy, can you point to some of these voluminous sources? TFD ( talk) 03:13, 13 December 2014 (UTC) reply
      • Sure: Here's the items 2-5 of the google search (1 was the Wikipedia page): (1) BTK Killer and Church Board President: One and the Same? 2, 2005 (2) Within minutes, he was before the congregation of Christ Lutheran Church, beginning to guide them through what he says will be a long journey of healing. Remembering the Dick Tracy of Wichita Post-Feb 18, 2014 ... the homicide unit of the Wichita, Kansas Police Department because he ... the Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita by someone named Dennis. (3) Rader details how he killed 10 people 28, 2005 WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) -- Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer who ... Christ Lutheran Church pastor Michael Clark said Rader, also a former ... (4) Victim's brother describes killing linked to BTK 3, 2005 (CNN) -- The brother of a Wichita, Kansas, woman believed to have been ... On Christ Lutheran Church's Web site, Clark says Rader has held ... (5) BTK: Out Of The Shadows

News-Oct 1, 2005 ... the victims of a serial killer who terrorized Wichita, Kansas for three decades. .... search turned up a Dennis Rader, president of the Christ Lutheran Church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulmcdonald ( talk • contribs) 22:15, 13 December 2014

I meant anything about the church, rather than Rader, which mentions the church in passing. I mean, when was it built? To which Lutheran synod does it belong? Does it have a choir? How many people attend? Who was the first pastor? Where do they stand on same sex marriage, the ordination of women? What, other than Rader, has attracted on-going media attention? TFD ( talk) 00:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Other than this connection with the murder, there is nothing notable about this church. The shoe polish brand of the murderer would have equal weight because of this connection, if this article was included. Dinkytown talk 04:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC) reply
    • I suppose you could say that if the shoe polish brand played into the series of murders and had coverage enough to meet WP:GNG. This was a significant location in multiple homicides.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 22:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC) reply
  • With some regret, delete -- apart from having a serial killer in its leadership ([[WP:COATHANGER applies), there is no reason to beleive that this is not a very typical local church. The consensus is that most of those are NN, and we rgularly delete them. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:55, 16 December 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - it fails every single factor of my standards for notability of churches. Bearian ( talk) 19:55, 16 December 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Delete – Although the church has received coverage for its architecture [1] and for being the church of Dennis Rader, there doesn't appear to be enough sources that address the church directly and in detail. -- Hirolovesswords ( talk) 22:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC) reply
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