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The result was keep. Rename has already happened. Daniel ( talk) 04:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Cheating Panorama

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No notable sources, fails wiki:gng and nfilm Hyperwave11 ( talk) 01:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Hyperwave11 ( talk) 01:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Hyperwave11 ( talk) 01:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply

*Delete Fails WP:NFILM Donaldd23 ( talk) 01:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Change to keep based on citations below. Donaldd23 ( talk) 11:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and rename to Cheating in Panorama per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. "騙術大觀" [Cheating in Panorama]. Shin Min Daily News (in Chinese). 1972-03-10. p. 5. Retrieved 2021-07-07 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.

      The article discusses the movie in detail.

    2. "「騙術大觀」半夜場及早場" ["Cheating in Panorama" midnight and morning showings]. Nanyang Siang Pau (in Chinese). 1972-02-14. p. 22. Retrieved 2021-07-07 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
    3. "騙術大觀" [Cheating in Panorama]. Sin Chew Daily (in Chinese). 1972-02-23. p. 12. Retrieved 2021-07-07 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
    4. "一個拍「騙術大觀」 一個拍「騙術大王」 一個氣得暴跳如雷 一個充耳不聞不問 陳鴻烈 氣煞 李翰祥 潘迎紫 下月將諧秦晉譜" [One makes "Cheating in Panorama". One makes "The Deceiver". One was furious. One turned a deaf ear and was indifferent. Chan Hung-lit. Angry. Li Han-hsiang. Angela Pan. Next month will be harmonised.]. Sin Chew Daily (in Chinese). 1971-12-11. p. 18. Retrieved 2021-07-07 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
    5. "發達之人騙術大觀俱旺" ["A Man of Wealth" and "Cheating in Panorama" entirely flourishing]. Wah Kiu Yat Po (in Chinese). 1972-02-18. p. 12. Retrieved 2021-07-07 – via Hong Kong Public Libraries.
    6. "趙雷因演發達之人 接着再拍騙術大觀" [Zhao Lei filmed "A Man of Wealth". Afterwards he filmed "Cheating in Panorama"]. The Kung Sheung Daily News (in Chinese). 1972-01-26. p. 7. Retrieved 2021-07-07 – via Hong Kong Public Libraries.
    7. "騙術大觀" [Cheating in Panorama]. Wah Kiu Yat Po (in Chinese). 1972-02-06. p. 12. Retrieved 2021-07-07 – via Hong Kong Public Libraries.
    8. Passing mentions in English-language sources that verify the movie's English name is Cheating in Panorama, not Cheating Panorama:
      1. Stokes, Lisa Odham; Braaten, Rachel (2020). Historical Dictionary of Hong Kong Cinema. Lanham, Maryland: Rowman & Littlefield. p. 293. ISBN  978-1-5381-2062-0. Retrieved 2021-07-07.

        The book notes about Li Han-hsiang: "He left Shaw in 1963 and went to Taiwan where he created his own film company, Guolian, making twenty films; he returned to Hong Kong in 1970, rejoining Shaw in 1972, and worked there for another ten years, introducing the theme of duplicity in movies such as Legends of Cheating (1971) and Cheating in Panorama (1972)."

      2. Wong, Ain-ling (2003). The Shaw Screen: A Preliminary Study. Hong Kong Film Archive. pp. 164, 320. Retrieved 2021-07-07.

        The book notes on page 16: "The ascendant popular culture of this period includes the films of Bruce Lee, Cantonese TV series and Canto-pop, but there were many other film genres of the crude and vulgar variety that have been largely forgotten in the nostalgia for the 1960s and 1970s, which collectively falls under what John Chan Koon-chung / Chen Guanzhong has described as 'slovenly aesthetics'. In this category are Li Han-hsiang / Li Hanxiang's series of 'duplicity films' (such as Cheating in Panorama / Pian Shu Da Guan, 1972) and his later soft-core fengyue (literally 'wind' and 'moon' ) films (described as the 'Aesthetics of the Cynical'), ..."

        The book notes about Li Han-hsiang on page 320: "He returned to Hong Kong in 1970 and shot The Legends of Cheating / Pian Shu Qi Tan (1971), Cheating In Panorama / Pian Shu Da Guan (1972 ) and Cheat to Cheat / Pian Shu Qi Zhong Qi (1973), starting off a trend for films on duplicity."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Cheating in Panorama ( simplified Chinese: 骗术大观; traditional Chinese: 騙術大觀) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard ( talk) 06:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Keep Per Cunard. Easily meets requirements. Donald once again showing his value to the project...† Encyclopædius 06:31, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply

User:Encyclopædius I didn't nominate it. Keep personal attacks out of it. Per Wikipedia:No personal attacks, "Do not make personal attacks anywhere on Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor". Voice your opinion on the ARTICLE, not on any EDITORS. Donaldd23 ( talk) 11:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply
What?? I simply said you were showing your value to the project. Not many people take the time to comment at AFDs these days. I don't agree with deleting it, but know that your input is appreciated my friend!† Encyclopædius 12:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Ok, I misunderstood. Based on some of our past interactions I took this this as an attack on my character and that you were saying that I wasn't adding value. I apologize for the misunderstanding. Have a great day. Donaldd23 ( talk) 12:06, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the coverage from Cunard. Anonymous 7481 ( talk) 17:02, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Cunard. Ratnahastin( t. c) 04:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per the significant coverage in multiple reliable sources identified above by Cunard that show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 00:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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