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The result was delete. —
Tom Morris (
talk) 00:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Semi-pro football player who has never played in a fully pro league, thus failing
WP:NFOOTBALL.
Number57 14:53, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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GiantSnowman 15:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete - per nom. Never played professionally and no significant coverage. Clearly fails
WP:GNG and
WP:NSPORT.
Sir Sputnik (
talk) 15:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep Played professionally at the highest professional level available in Ireland. See:
[1],
[2]. Represented Ireland in several national youth teams (
[3]). Even played with Cork City in the money loaden Champion League qualifiers (
[4]). Rejecting football leagues from smaller countries as not being fully professional is a biased opinion.
Night of the Big Windtalk 16:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
It is irrelevant that he played at the highest level in Ireland - what matters is whether he played in a fully professional league, and he has not. Youth caps do not confer notability, only appearances at full international level (per
WP:NFOOTBALL). This is not "biased", it is realistic that players playing in semi-professional leagues are less notable than their professional counterparts.
Number57 16:59, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
It is a biased opinion, due to that fact that is does not take the local circumstances into account. And it creates a very unfair difference between big countries and smaller countries. The players of
Luton Town F.C. still have their own articles, while the club plays in a not fully professional league (fifth tier!). Maybe time for a clean up there?
Night of the Big Windtalk 18:52, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
You are misrepresenting things - not all Luton players have articles - only those that have played in fully professional leagues.
Number57 19:40, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment - the point is, this "unfair difference" (Night of the Big Wind) is known here as notability. A player who has been written about in a national newspaper gets a Wikipedia article and the player who is not reported about doesn't. If he plays in the Olympics then he will meet the criteria. Until then....
Cloudz679 20:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
It then... should you have read the souces I had added already. As far as I know is the
Irish Times a national newspaper. But let me guess: disqualified because the article is not only about Lordan. Maybe
this one, or
this one, or
this one or
this one good enough?
Night of the Big Windtalk 23:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
It still doesn't change the fact that he has not played in a fully professional league.
Number57 08:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Mr. Lorgan satiesfies
WP:GNG, regardless of the league he plays in. Why do you give me the feeling that nationality issues play a role here?
Night of the Big Windtalk 10:18, 24 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Ah, so now you've stooped to making unfounded personal accusations? If you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd be fully aware that I have AfD'd semi-pro
American,
Croatian,
English and
Scottish footballers amongst others - nationality isn't important - passing
WP:NFOOTBALL is.
Number57 10:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete per comment above.
Cloudz679 20:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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