- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Closing this a few hours early. Consensus is clear and there is no realistic chance of it changing. Ad Orientem ( talk) 16:29, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Caroline Bittencourt
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I am proposing deletion of this article because: Looking past the bad mistranslation that went on here (which I highly assume is a Google Translate problem), only says she did 2 jobs including Rede TV. That’s not a notable career. Before any of you get all uptight about it, yes Cavalli and Valentino are high fashion brands, but the sources given are dead links to unreliable sources and a reference to her former employer Oxygen Models, a primary source. If the only verification of it comes from a news report of death (Globo) how is there notability in that? I understand it’s tragic what happened to her, but there is only WP:MILL from Fox News out there at best. Fox News. I don’t think it even scratches BLP1E because there is so little out there. Trillfendi ( talk) 16:42, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep - Per WP:GNG. Noted modelling career. Good references. Article needs some work, but are decent. BabbaQ ( talk) 19:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Noted modeling career for 2 jobs? That makes a career? Since when is the threshold that low. Trillfendi ( talk) 21:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- And the references (permanent dead links of http://www.revistaarqdesign.com.br/persona/caroline-bittencourt-2011-08-09 and http://www.thebrazilianpost.info/mulher/2392-caroline-bittencourt-uma-loira-com-formas-esculturais-.html), excluding Globo, are the exact opposite of good. Trillfendi ( talk) 21:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per BabbaQ. Mosaicberry ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I recommend that readers judge the truthfulness of the nomination by looking at this Google search: [1]. Scroll down, click "next", and so forth. Bakazaka ( talk) 22:29, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- And there's a lie in routine coverage? Trillfendi ( talk) 22:34, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Out of all the routine coverage, Fox News is the only one that is even close to, dare I say it, a reliable source. That’s all I said. The Daily Caller is literally a right wing conspiracy theory website. Heavy.com wouldn’t be reliable if it begged. NY Post is a tabloid. Are we supposed to go with HotNewHipHop? They all say the same thing: model accidentally dies of drowning.
Trillfendi (
talk) 22:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- An interesting case study in Google Personalized Search. Bakazaka ( talk) 22:46, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, notable person as well as disappearance. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 06:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- This search excludes news reports of her death. Phil Bridger ( talk) 08:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GNG. Nominator is confused between references (what is in the article) and sources (what has been written on the topic). For notability, the sources that are out there is what matters. If the article needs to be referenced better, use the refimprove template, not the AfD! gidonb ( talk) 11:40, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- I’m not “confused”, I simply see no notability especially not in accidental death. But if you want to proliferate the article with a bunch of
death reports that all say the same 2 things, no one is stopping you.
Trillfendi (
talk) 11:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- So death by accident precludes notability? Then I'll AfD John Denver, James Dean, Grace Kelley, and Linda Lovelace!
gidonb (
talk) 12:15, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Her notability wasn’t even there to begin with. You’re gonna compare that to a Grammy Award winner, cultural icon, Academy Award winner-turned-princess (?!), and one of the most famous porn stars ever? Insanity.
Trillfendi (
talk) 00:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
- Like the others I mentioned, her notability is just fine. She passes the General Notability Guideline. Maybe also WP:ENT. Not sure about that. One needs to pass only one of the two. I also have a question for you: Until when are you are going to submit these baseless and chanceless AfDs, then argue with every participant? Your edits are way better than your nominations. gidonb ( talk) 00:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
- Just to illustrate: this is an example of a good AfD. Nominator had a strong case. Had done WP:BEFORE, wasn't confused, used the relevant standards, no desperate "hand waving". Did not need to argue with anyone. gidonb ( talk) 00:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
- Her notability wasn’t even there to begin with. You’re gonna compare that to a Grammy Award winner, cultural icon, Academy Award winner-turned-princess (?!), and one of the most famous porn stars ever? Insanity.
Trillfendi (
talk) 00:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
- So death by accident precludes notability? Then I'll AfD John Denver, James Dean, Grace Kelley, and Linda Lovelace!
gidonb (
talk) 12:15, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- I’m not “confused”, I simply see no notability especially not in accidental death. But if you want to proliferate the article with a bunch of
death reports that all say the same 2 things, no one is stopping you.
Trillfendi (
talk) 11:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:ANYBIO as discussed by other users above. I added two more sources, one about her death and the other about her wedding. FYI- WP:MILL is an essay, not a guideline. Thsmi002 ( talk) 01:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
- People throw essays around as if they’re policy anyway (they love OSE), I still think run of the mill coverage is useless that’s just why I said it. Trillfendi ( talk) 02:00, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. This AfD is already open since April 30 and all this while no case has been made for deletion. Per WP:NEXIST and the available sources, now also as references, it is clear that Caroline Bittencourt at the very least passes the WP:GNG. The nomination is clearly based in a WP:BEFORE failure. As a no-brainer, or as Thsmi002 puts it, WP:ANYBIO, this AfD gained absolutely no traction. The last reactions are from May 2. By now, isn't it time to close and move on?! BTW while this nomination and others failed, nominator did share that she would never withdraw a nomination. So no need to wait for that either... gidonb ( talk) 04:20, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
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