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The result was redirect to Glossary of motorsport terms. As WP:ATD. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:53, 4 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Car sprint

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This stub article is unsourced (and has been tagged as such since 2009) and has only 1 incoming link. The title is ambiguous with Sprint car racing. There has been plenty of time to correct the WP:OR status. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 12:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 13:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 13:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC) reply

• Comment - I'm not sure what's best for this article. In case anyone has any doubts, this is most definitely a real sport which has no connection with Sprint car racing (eg see [1]). However, apart from the Australian circuit version (which I'll get to), Sprints are rarely discussed as separate from Hillclimbing, as they are effectively the same thing except not actually up a hill (the same as what I'll call "British style" hillclimbing that is, which takes place in Britain and Australia and potentially other places which is on much shorter tracks than hillclimbing in Europe or America), and often a minor hillclimbing championship will include some sprints, and sometimes events which probably should be called sprints (due to not being strictly up a hill) are called hillclimbs anyway. In Australia it can mean either the British version or something closer to what might be called Time Attack as it is held on a circuit with multiple cars on track at the same time, or sometimes something in between. I'm not sure if the term is used much or at all outside of the UK and Australia.

Long story short, I do think the topic warrants mention on Wikipedia, but I'm not sure how since there are plenty of sources which discuss "British style" sprints (but generally not separated from hillclimbing) but not necessarily (m)any which discuss the Australian/circuit version. A7V2 ( talk) 00:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC) reply

• @ A7V2: How about a redirect to Hillclimbing, with a hatnote there something like {{ hatnote|Car sprint redirects here. In Australia, "car sprint" may also refer to a Time attack. It is not to be confused with Sprint car racing.}} Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 07:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Shhhnotsoloud: The issue there is that sprints are not discussed on Hillclimbing (indeed the only usage is once in the "British Isles" section which requires that one know the term, and in the external links. I don't think it's appropriate to say that in Australia it may refer to Time attack given that sprints have been around much longer than time attack, and both exists as distinct (albeit with strong crossover and similarity, although I'd argue less similar than hillclimbing and "short" sprints as run in Australia) sports in Australia. I'd err on deletion until someone (perhaps me if I get around to it) can add something appropriate to the hillclimbing article when a redirect could be created (and really a lot of what might be added probably belongs more on Hillclimbing in the British Isles), and perhaps add a section to Time Attack but then that still leaves issues of hatnotes and such. Perhaps a merge to Glossary of motorsport terms would be more appropriate for now since any separate article would likely not be much longer than the current one anyway.

In summary, I think delete with either no redirects, or redirect to Glossary of motorsport terms if/when relevant material is added there. A7V2 ( talk) 09:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply

• Comment - It may make sense to add relevant information to the Time Attack and Hillclimbing articles, possibly making this redirect to Hillclimbing as has already been suggested. I am certainly aware of the existence of these events, but I wouldn't know where to find good quality sources to expand this article with. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 02:06, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete as not notable. I don't see anything to redirect. Someone should at least be able to find something on "Car sprint", so we are not advancing neologism, and we would be redirecting what exactly? Being "aware" that something exists (but with no sources) is not a very compelling rationale for inclusion or redirect. Some one sentence dictionary style paragraphs are actually just confusing and makes it appear as a hoax. Otr500 ( talk) 12:55, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply

I'm a bit unsure why you would describe it as a neologism since for example sprint events are discussed in C.A.N. May's 1951 book Formula 3: A Record of 500cc Racing. Admittedly in context the word "car" is not added, this is done more as a disambiguation in this case. I'm not saying the topic is definitely notable enough for its own article, but to say it is a hoax is bizarre. For examples, a "UK style" event in Australia [2] and an "Australian style" championship in Australia [3]. There isn't a huge amount of coverage of events in independent sources however, eg [4] (but then 2020 isn't the best year!). As I said above, I think best would be to add the term to Glossary of motorsport terms and only then create redirects if/when I or someone else gets around to it. I'll probably give reference to the Macquarie Dictionary of Motoring when doing this. A7V2 ( talk) 22:41, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply

• Redirect to Glossary of motorsport terms per A7V2 - a sensible alternative to deletion. Although I'm not convinced deletion is entirely appropriate this provides a suitable alternative from which the article can be expanded again if sufficient independent reliable sources are found. Deus et lex ( talk) 23:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to broader subject. This is a dictionary definition at best. jp× g 21:03, 28 November 2020 (UTC) reply

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