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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 23:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Bukola Smith
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Possible ADMASQ on a woman who lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of her thus fails to satisfy GNG. A before predominantly links me to press releases & user generated all of which we do not consider reliable. Furthermore being a CEO isn’t a yard stick used to ascertain Notability Celestina007 ( talk) 21:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 ( talk) 21:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:BIO 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as run-of-the-mill coverage of a business person. You don't get to have a Wikipedia article about yourself just for being the CEO of something. One of the references is a press release, another is an interview, and another is tertiary coverage. The remaining reference, is a gushing promo piece with no byline, that manages to say nothing of value. There's no article about First Securities Discount House Merchant Bank - if there was, redirecting to it per WP:NBUSINESSPERSON could have been an option. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 12:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep - The article subject clearly meet WP:NACADEMIC criterion #3 as a Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria. @ Timtrent:, you have been around long enough to know that this sort of behavior is inappropriate as it blatantly violates the standard behavior expected in the community. @ Celestina007:, I note that this is not the first time you are canvassing people who share the same opinion with you in a discussion unrelated to them. This is a disruptive behavior. Kaizenify ( talk) 14:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment — Note that the editor above is the creator of the article. Celestina007 ( talk) 14:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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Kaizenify Specify which part of
WP:NACADEMIC you rely on. 🇺🇦
FiddleTimtrent
FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 14:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Kaizenify has added content to the article after the AfD nomination saying that Smith is a Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria, and asserts that this means she is an academic. That is not correct. An academic is someone engaged in scholarly research or higher education. Smith is a qualified accountant, not an academic. The procedure for becoming an FCA is to have been a member, with a licence to practice, for more than five years, or for members without a licence to practice, ten years' experience - and pay N120,000. 1,628 members became FCAs last year alone. This is therefore not a highly selective honour.
- I do not believe I was canvassed to take part in this AfD. I was conversing with Celestina on their user talk page, where I saw they were reviewing an article they were concerned about, and chose to look at the article.
Curb Safe Charmer (
talk) 15:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- The numbers they elected are not our business as Wikipedians. Fellowship of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria is a major scholarly society in the field of accounting in Nigeria. Our notability guideline does not cover how fellows should be selected or elected. In the same way we will not care how a legislator or supreme court judge is elected.
- Kindly note that scholarly societies are not meant for people who lectures in academic institutions or conduct researches only, it also meant for professionals in that field.
Kaizenify (
talk) 16:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Kaizenify, you've claimed that Smith is notable under criterion #3 of
WP:NACADEMIC, which has two parts to it:
- The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or
- The person is a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers).
- Assuming you are asserting that they meet the second part of that criteria then it is for editors to judge whether ICAN is (i) a major scholarly society, and (ii) whether it reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor. We need not judge the first part, because the second part is clearly not so. If the organisation accepts applications from its members to become a fellow solely on time served and paying a fee then that is not a highly selective honor. But in any event, considering that the notability criteria that you are referring to are a method for assessing the notability of academics, none of this applies because Smith is not engaged in scholarly research or higher education. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 17:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Kaizenify, you've claimed that Smith is notable under criterion #3 of
WP:NACADEMIC, which has two parts to it:
- Delete The keep arguments above have been dismantled. We lack the sourcing needed to show notability. We are not about to add 2,000 plus people in one profession from one country a year, so any criteria that would do so is not a valid inclusion criteria at all. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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