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The result was redirect to List of programs aired by GMA Network. j⚛e decker talk 15:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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Fails GNG. Not finding any reliable sources other than to say it exists. Article makes no claim to importance/notability and cites no sources. Might even qualify for speedy, but I suppose you could say just saying it's a show implies importance? It was PROD, which was removed without further explanation. — Rhododendrites talk | 18:27, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. This was a real TV show back in the day when the Internet was young in the Philippines, and all of the links at time of the show's airing are now dead.
This article tells us the show existed, and
this one tells why it got cancelled. –
H
T
D 19:40, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Existence isn't justification for keeping an article (see
WP:ITEXISTS and
WP:ENN). The question is if it's notable, defined
in these terms. --—
Rhododendrites
talk | 19:56, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- There's
WP:TVSERIES too, which this should pass ("television program is likely to be notable if it airs on a network of radio or television stations (either national or regional in scope"), but that isn't a policy or guideline... –
H
T
D 20:03, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- If you quoted more than the first line of
WP:TVSERIES, it would be clearer that it absolutely does not pass. Immediately below that line: "In either case, however, the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone. For instance, a purely local talk radio program can be notable enough for inclusion if it played a role in exposing a major political scandal, and a national television program may not be notable if it was cancelled too quickly to have garnered any significant media coverage." So, again, that it existed and was a tv show isn't enough. TV shows are "likely" notable, because they are very likely to have multiple, in depth, reliable sources written about them. This one doesn't. --—
Rhododendrites
talk | 20:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe. But I dunno how this show lasted, assuming the biggest hindrance here is if "it ended too quickly". I don't even know when this show started/ended so I can restrict the dates when I search. And I dunno if the internet can fetch one, but surely there are plenty in "real" newspapers. – H T D 20:18, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- If you quoted more than the first line of
WP:TVSERIES, it would be clearer that it absolutely does not pass. Immediately below that line: "In either case, however, the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone. For instance, a purely local talk radio program can be notable enough for inclusion if it played a role in exposing a major political scandal, and a national television program may not be notable if it was cancelled too quickly to have garnered any significant media coverage." So, again, that it existed and was a tv show isn't enough. TV shows are "likely" notable, because they are very likely to have multiple, in depth, reliable sources written about them. This one doesn't. --—
Rhododendrites
talk | 20:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- There's
WP:TVSERIES too, which this should pass ("television program is likely to be notable if it airs on a network of radio or television stations (either national or regional in scope"), but that isn't a policy or guideline... –
H
T
D 20:03, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Existence isn't justification for keeping an article (see
WP:ITEXISTS and
WP:ENN). The question is if it's notable, defined
in these terms. --—
Rhododendrites
talk | 19:56, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. The mere fact that it existed is not enough to make it notable. Article can be recreated later with reliable sources. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 19:53, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 07:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, → Call me Hahc 21 05:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of programs aired by GMA Network or just delete this stub, per the conversation above. WP:TVSERIES shows that geographic range doesn't grant inherent notability, and the sources aren't there. I say redirect because it certainly deserves to have a line on the list, just not its own article. GRUcrule ( talk) 19:28, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
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