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The result was delete. – Joe ( talk) 14:41, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Brendan Carr
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No indication of notability. Carr has acted in several straight-to-DVD films and apparently had minor roles in some more significant films, but there's no independent coverage of him beyond the local newspaper. Huon ( talk) 00:38, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Nat965 ( talk) 02:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hi there, why is my page nominated for deletion it's been up for many years and was originally created by the town's council from where I live just like the town of Aylesbury and my old school of the Grange school in Aylesbury, my name also features on these pages and again was added along time ago. I have spent many years trying to make something of myself and get the name of my town out there so I was extremely proud when I first found out others had written about me and what I do on Wikipedia.
- I find it extremely sad I've been set upon and targeted like this ever since I was rudely abused by kleuske a while back.
- Some of the film's I have started in have gone on to do good things, Love struck won the award of Best movie at the London Portobello film festival which is one of the biggest festivals in the United Kingdom, Another film jesis the curry king was one of the first movies ever shown digitally in a UK cinema paving the way for digital cinema in the UK, Ten Dead Men was shot on only 10 thousand pounds but yet went on to sell over 500'000 copies world wide which is unheard of for a small budgeted film, it even had limited edition dvds sold with metal cases in places like France and Germany and has continued to sell ten years later, rise of the footsoldier is an iconic movie based on true events here in the UK it was released in the cinema before worlwide on DVD.
- If the local town who is responsible for playing part in the creation on such greats like David Bowie in his Ziggy star dust days deem my achievements good enough to list as a notable person then I am extremely proud and of my school that has millions of children passing through the school deems me important enough to list as a notable person then again in proud.
- I have done and achieved quite allot more compared to even most of the Wikipedia editors you have on here which is probably why I am being targeted for such an attack and speedy deletion, it's unfair and extremely sad, it's border line cyber bullying by adults and should not be allowed to go.on on a website filled with so many intelligent people.
- I think another contributing factor is down to the fact most editors on here seem to be from most countries other than the UK where we have our own.poll.of notable actors and achievers that people in the USA donot know about.
- Regardless several of my.movies have been released in the USA and to DVD or.not.its a HUGE achievement, people like Quentin tarintino and other great directors and actors would.not be where they are today with out achieving such things.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendancarr ( talk • contribs) 09:43, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- In regards to sources if you Google Brendan Carr actor, Brendan Carr ten dead men, Brendan Carr rise of the footsoldier etc etc there are many things which show who I am and what I do, I have recently taken my website down which in undergoing maintenance, once it's back online I will be adding all media content from.last 15 years, which include national and international magazines, including ones that had Honk kong,US, Japanese and Canadian distribution, I will be including the many international dvd covers from my films of which have Japanese, Chinese, french, German and limited edition dvds covers including the seperate covers made specifically for US distribution.
- I would also like to ask if going on the fact the website was vandalised several years back and was then put back to its former state by Wikipedia editors "WHY" the page was not flagged for deletion then when all the other editors were looking at it and reinstating it, the page has survived more than 10 years on Wikipedia, it's not like it's a random page just suddenly added which again is something that miffs me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendancarr ( talk • contribs) 09:51, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Keep In cases like this, where the notability is borderline, I tend to side with inclusion. There is no doubt he is an actor; no doubt he exists. The issue I see is lack of reliable sources, and that in many of the big name roles listed in his filmography, he appears only as minor characters. In
WP:NACTOR, he definitely does not meet the third point. Apparently, from the wording of the newspaper's writings about him, his local community could be considered a "fan base", although not one that would meet the second point. The first point,
"Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions."
For a lot of his films, the only source online I could find that claimed he had played a role in them was Brendan Carr's YouTube channel in the form of montages. And furthermore, are the films listed even notable? Rise of the Foot Soldier is (probably). Band of Brothers is, but I was unable to find a reference for that. Many of them also have this issue; he only shows up on the IMDb page. I support keeping this article and removing all unsubstantiated material. Also, to swap Brendan Carr (lawyer) and Brendan Carr. Vermont | reply here 10:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 11:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Per Huon's rationale. There is no significant or in-depth coverage of Carr and even the notability of the films is questionable. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:13, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. He has a starring role in Ten Dead Men and a non-starring one in Rise of the Footsoldier. That's not enough to satisfy WP:NACTOR, and other than a couple of articles in the Bucks Herald, [1] [2], he hasn't received much media coverage/GNG. Clarityfiend ( talk) 01:50, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete for failing WP:ACTOR. Yes, the article may have been up for years but Wikipedia's rules have progressively become quite strict in terms of notability. And an important point: The subject of the contested article may actually be known in the general public or just among cinema goers. He or she may, in fact, be well known. The proposal to delete the article is based strictly on Wikipedia's rules, whereby verifiability by sources rules the roost: Notability has to be based on acceptable, third party, independent sources. There are many, many actors and actresses favored and loved by me who cannot have a Wikipedia article. As the man said, " Wikipedia is not about the truth but about verifiability." - The Gnome ( talk) 09:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
- KEEP I myself have now searched and found 1000s of Actors, Producers and Directors whom you have allowed to keep there articles on Wikipedia, weak verifications, weak sources and less notability than my fish in my aquarium, it has become clear to me that Wikipedia is ran my at least 99% US based editors, RE. If I were an editor Brendan Carr Lawer would not have a place on Wikipedia because in the UK not a soul has a clue whom he is, no notability to anyone this side of the atlantic. If I were an American based Actor with American movie credits this outcome would be allot different. I have been warned in several forums I'm fighting a losing battle as Wikipedia is largely US Biase and sadly it would appear they are correct. What amuses me is that for several of the film's I have been in you have Wikipedia articles for, you also have me mentioned in various other Wikipedia articles across the board and yet want to delete the main article written about me, non of which makes an ounce of sense because Wikipedia itself is then acting as a source for the article about me that is extremely contradictory, I'm pretty sure many Wikipedia rules are being broken here by yourselves to and further contradiction the the so called laws and rules are taking place, but looking into such thing would be useless and futile as like I've stated I'm fighting a battle I already lost. I see from searching you not only have wikipedia articles in place for films I have worked on but have Wikipedia articles up for the producers and directors of the film's to. The article about Brendan Carr holds far more notability than half of the hog wash you currently allow to stay on Wikipedia and far more notability than at least 50% of the current actors you allow to linger on Wikipedia most of whom appear to be American, strange that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendancarr ( talk • contribs) 12:11, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
- Something further more Wikipedia itself states: "WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers covers biographical material of individuals involved in the process of making motion pictures, including people in the film industry such as actors, directors, crew, and others who may be listed in the motion picture credits of a film"
- Not only am i an "Actor" whom has starred in movies but I have also "PRODUCED" several of them, one of them selling over 500'000 copies worldwide, therefore I am a person involved in the making of motion pictures, and my name listed in the motion picture credits of A FILM, At least 15 to be precise, two of which have "WON AWAREDS" so yet again you all contradict the very RULES ANS LAWS that are written by yourselves on Wikipedia 🤔. — Preceding
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- I'm sure you're correct; there must be lots of articles that have no place in Wikipedia according to the now prevalent house-rules, on the basis of lack of notability as well as of other transgressions. I already mentioned there's significant clean-up effort going on. As to Wikipedia's "bias towards American actors", where is the evidence to back that up? Here's a tip: The argument that " other stuff exists" is a dead duck. The only argument in support of the article staying up would be one constructed out of sources, i.e. secondary, independent, reliable, as many as possible sources that prove your Wiki-notability. There are legendary figures of silent cinema who do not have an article in Wikipedia. That's not on account of some bias towards talking pictures (!) but because Wikipedia is not about the truth ; it's about verifiability. - The Gnome ( talk) 12:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
I've tidied up the duplicate entry made by Brendan Carr Nick ( talk) 13:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete It's clearly the case that Brendan does not meet the requirements for an article at this time - the absence of in depth, detailed, independent coverage in larger national or international press sources. I have a very small amount of sympathy for Brendan's arguments about automatic notability, but even if we accept that, there's a dearth of reliable sources and we still wouldn't have an appropriately sourced BLP, so we still couldn't have an article. Nick ( talk) 13:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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