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The result was merge to MFA Oil. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:15, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Break Time (convenience store)
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I cannot find coverage sufficient to pass WP:NCORP. There are currently no independent secondary reliable sources and all I can find is trade press. [1] [2] [3] Fences& Windows 14:22, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Merge to MFA Oil, its parent company. I agree that the convenience stores do not pass the WP:GNG or WP:NCORP on their own. However, a quick search shows that MFA Oil, the parent company, probably does (even though its own article is currently in pretty bad shape). So, merging this there would make sense. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I edited this page extensively and i did the same thing with MFA. Id just like to point that out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12welveon13rteen ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to MFA Oil per Rorshacma, plus it would help beef up the more notable parent article. Cordially, History DMZ ( HQ) † ( wire) 02:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to MFA Oil. I'm actually familiar with this chain, and I thought it might be notable, but after looking for coverage, I'm inclined to agree with the above that WP:NORG isn't met. The potential sources generally fail WP:ORGCRIT or are focused mainly on the parent company. Merging into the MFA article is the best way to handle this. Hog Farm Talk 20:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- Postpone? Let me see if, this week, I can dig up better sourcing, thereby more extensive information, before throwing out the baby with the bathwater. There are 74 stores, and it's ranked 92 by CSPdailynews [1], so it would seen to be just distinctive enough, on that basis. The chain even has it's own distinctive website < https://mybreaktime.com/> (which is one thing that needs included.) I've no strong feelings about this one way or the other, so I'll agree to whatever's decided. I simply think it'd be a shame to waste what's been started. — BoringJim ( talk) 23:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- My reading of AfDs is that on average discussions are closed after 1 week, so theoretically you have until Feb. 26. But note also that the Break Time website's
Alexa Global Ranking stands at #5,754,697, which is very low. G'Day,
History DMZ (
HQ)
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wire) 02:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- I suspect that having two websites hurts their Alexas ranks for both. I'd also bet that there's other companies with Wikipedia articles whose site rank is lower. I'm not dismissing what you're saying - just that I'm not sure it should be a major gauge of a company's encyclopedic worth.
Another thought; as a separate entity, Break Time is ripe for some private equity firm to swoop in and make MFA Oilan offer they can't refuse (a common practice, lately).I've been toying around with a basically ground-up re-write. Since this is my first time doing something this extensive, no doubt the bots'n'bullies will circle this like vultures. Clearly, I'm far from finished, but would appreciate feedback on what I've got thus far; User:BoringJim/Break Time (edit) — BoringJim ( talk) 01:51, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- IMO, the draft looks promising and a clear improvement over the current live version. I would still suggest, per the nominator's opening comment above, to avoid "trade press" and to not lose sight of
WP:ORGSIG and how important it is that reliable sources independent of the organization have given significant coverage to it. Cheers,
History DMZ (
HQ)
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wire) 14:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Fences and windows,
Rorshacma,
History DMZ,
Hog Farm, and
HighKing:, please see my total re-write of
the article in question. Perhaps it might change your mind on your vote?
This is my first such endeavor of this magnitude, and I kinda rushed the end to meet today's deadline. Fortunately (unfortunately?) I actually have more I can improve upon. — BoringJim ( talk) 19:21, 26 February 2021 (UTC)- The aforementioned editors might not reply in time, so I recommend leaving a "note to closing admin" at the very bottom of this page asking the closer to take into consideration your draft before making a final decision. History DMZ ( HQ) † ( wire) 06:32, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
- BoringJim to save time, can you post links (or identify specific links in the article) that you believe meet the criteria for establishing notability? Right now the article is refbombed with 48 references. The criteria for establishing notability for companies/organizations as per WP:NCORP is for multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. So we want to avoid the "echo chamber" of stuff entirely based on company announcements or trivial events. So a "Q&A" session on a "new look" fails WP:ORGIND. An announcement on the appointment of the 5th CEO fails WP:ORGIND. etc. HighKing ++ 11:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
- @
Fences and windows,
Rorshacma,
History DMZ,
Hog Farm, and
HighKing:, please see my total re-write of
the article in question. Perhaps it might change your mind on your vote?
- IMO, the draft looks promising and a clear improvement over the current live version. I would still suggest, per the nominator's opening comment above, to avoid "trade press" and to not lose sight of
WP:ORGSIG and how important it is that reliable sources independent of the organization have given significant coverage to it. Cheers,
History DMZ (
HQ)
† (
wire) 14:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- I suspect that having two websites hurts their Alexas ranks for both. I'd also bet that there's other companies with Wikipedia articles whose site rank is lower. I'm not dismissing what you're saying - just that I'm not sure it should be a major gauge of a company's encyclopedic worth.
- My reading of AfDs is that on average discussions are closed after 1 week, so theoretically you have until Feb. 26. But note also that the Break Time website's
Alexa Global Ranking stands at #5,754,697, which is very low. G'Day,
History DMZ (
HQ)
† (
wire) 02:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge to MFA Oil as per WP:ATD, topic fails WP:NCORP as a standalone article. HighKing ++ 20:35, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- ^ McLane Company (4 January 2021). "Top 202 Convenience Stores 2020". CSP Daily News. Winsight Media. Retrieved 21 February 2021.