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The result was redirect to BTCC (company). T. Canens ( talk) 05:23, 19 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Bobby C. Lee

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notability per WP:GNG not established for BTCC (company) founder covered only in connection with his company, not notable in isolation, reputable sources warrant no more than a sentence or two of information. Ysangkok ( talk) 16:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Ysangkok ( talk) 16:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete a non-notable businessman. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Subjective assessments of notability should not hold sway when arguing for deletion. Requirements for notability are 1) significant coverage of the subject, which all cited articles focus on, 2) reliability, which Forbes, other financial media, etc., are known for, in spite of subjective assessments by some people, 3) citation from secondary sources, which all the citations are, 4) independence from the subject, which the entry is, and 5) presumption of notability, which the subject is.
Other mainstream media articles that address the subject but are not cited are available a Google search away. A few:
New York Times - https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/12/18/bitcoin-collides-with-government-concerns/
BBC - https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-25428866 User:Wordpuissance ( talk) 17:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Wordpuissance: it is misleading to call a blog on NYTimes.com "The New York Times", since they don't have the same journalistic standards as other real printed articles. -- Ysangkok ( talk) 17:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Ysangkok: Dealbook is not a blog, it's the New York Times' financial page. Not to mention that that article you're referring to appeared in print. If you scroll to the very end, it says clearly, "A version of this article appears in print on 12/19/2013, on page B3 of the New York edition with the headline: Bitcoin, Nationless Currency, Still Feels Governments’ Pinch." -- Wordpuissance ( talk) 18:07, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Wordpuissance: You are completely right, I am sorry. But the article does not cover Bobby Lee at all, it just uses his image and has two paragraphs about BTC China (his company). But since the article doesn't actually talk about him, how is it a useful reference for this debate? -- Ysangkok ( talk) 19:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Ysangkok: WP:GNG notability guidelines state that "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." The articles establish the subject as significant enough in his industry to have a profile done on him by Forbes and China Daily -- which has the widest print circulation of any English-language newspaper in China, and to be an authority quoted in articles by the BBC and the New York Times. Please refer strictly to WP:GNG notability guidelines when discussing the topic -- User: Wordpuissance ( talk) 21:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Litecoin - literally all RS coverage is about Litecoin, with bio details covered only in passing, if that - David Gerard ( talk) 11:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC) reply
@ David Gerard: I dont think Bobby has much to do with Litecoin, it was his brother Charlie Lee who created Litecoin. I am not sure if Bobby has sufficient notability to warrant a wikipedia article. Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 20:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC) reply
D'oh, I got confused with Charlie! - David Gerard ( talk) 20:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Redirect to BTCC (company) - it's basically company-related, and the bio coverage here is way too skimpy for us to have a BLP - David Gerard ( talk) 20:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC) reply
@ David Gerard: There is substantial bio coverage in the book by the New York Times' cryptocurrency reporter, the article by Forbes and the article by China Daily. Considering the impact of this person on the cryptocurrency industry, as outlined by the New York Times reporter (Popper), and the fact that the entry strictly complies with WP:GNG and no one has pointed out any violations of WP:GNG, it should be kept -- User:Wordpuissance ( talk) 18:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC) reply
  • KEEP A quick search reveals he has gotten press coverage for activities beyond BTCC. He just got Yahoo Finance coverage for a new service. Notable enough for us. Cheers Yipee8f93k ( talk) 00:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The Yahooo finance report just metioned is an interview where he says whatever he pleases. It is not in any real sense independent, and not a RS for anthing at all except his own views about his own companies. Everything there, and in theother references discusses him only in the contenst of thefirms. DGG ( talk ) 10:07, 17 August 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Oh come on. An article that only mentions the subject in a photo caption is the damn definition of "trivial mention." The BBC article's sole mention of the subject is a single quote from him. forbes.com is listed as unreliable on WP:SOURCEGUIDE for lack of editorial oversight. And so on and so forth: casual mentions, namedrops, and unreliable sources. Ravenswing 15:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I agree with the above, the references fail the criteria. Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion. HighKing ++ 19:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I can't read the paywalled article but there's some info here. [ [1]] TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to BTCC (company). The sources cited so far don't exhibit enough coverage on the person. However, more sources might be available in future, so redirect it for now. Nomian ( talk) 03:03, 19 August 2020 (UTC) reply
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