The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was speedy keep. Per
WP:SPEEDYKEEP #1 . Nom has withdrawn the AfD. The sole deletion !vote has been retracted.
Zindor (
talk) 21:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC) (
non-admin closure)reply
Administrator note - This nomination is based on accusations that it is an attempt to advertise and promote. These statements have been removed as obviously-frivolous personal attacks against the article creator, who is an established editor in good standing. As a user has endorsed deletion for an unrelated reason, the discussion will be kept open.
~Swarm~{sting} 05:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)reply
1. Its'
media citations are completely sponsored ones and part of either press release sites (
1,
2,
3,
4,
5) or something near about like that. In short, it doesn't have much citations from sites listed on
WP:RS or
WP:RSPMISSING.
Keep I wrote this article because it's one of the largest, fastest-growing ad agencies in the world, with multiple sources discussing its growth. It is a relatively large publicly-traded company, and as Wikipedia notability for companies (
WP:CORP) explains, "Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in this (or any other) case. However, sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies", Of course I wasn't paid. I've been editing Wikipedia since 2007 across a wide range of topics and there's never been any evidence of paid promotion. I have never been paid or advertised such services, period. As I explained to
Hatchens (
talk·contribs), if such baseless accusations persist, I will report them to
WP:ANI and pursue whatever remedies I can. Don't make Wikipedia a hostile work environment. CC
Devokewater (
talk·contribs), !votes should include reasoning.
II | (
t -
c) 11:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Dear
ImperfectlyInformed, I apologize for the inconvenience. But, I'm not able to understand when I got personal with you?? Anyway, please report at
WP:ANI. I'll meet you there. -
Hatchens (
talk) 12:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Update on my statement to respond to the nom
Hatchens: "I will briefly mention that of the currently cited sources, you only grabbed 1 (PRWeek). BlueFocus is a multibillion US dollar company (~$2.b USD).
PRWeek is not PR site, it's a trade magazine.
AdAge also did an in-depth profile, as did
The Globe and Mail."
II | (
t -
c) 16:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Sources found by nominator are not all promotional besides there are two additional articles in the financial times directly addressing the company,
12 Additional sources also exist, but the existing sources were not promo pieces, rather they are industry pieces that include PR in the name simply because the industry is PR
PainProf (
talk) 16:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep I've looked at the article and the references in some detail since it is the focus of a brouhaha elsewhere that I am peripherally involved in, and I confess I am having difficulty with it. I'd expect more flesh and more in the way of referencing for an organisation where the references used suggest it to be fast growing. I acknowledge that it was created as a start and in a single edit. I hope further expansion is forthcoming and I shall see what I can find myself assuming it is kept and someone reminds me to look)The references aren't what they first appear to be, and I can see why the nom came to the conclusions they did about them. A first look suggests them to be PR, but the advertising and agency world is peculiar in that this is what it generates. I'm used to the titles the references come from. My employment was as a user of this type of organisation, and I see these sources as passing
WP:RS. Context is important here. I also see significant coverage in them. That is is 'unusual' style coverage is unimportant. This is what this style of source would say about a PR organisation. Based upon pure policy it passes
WP:CORP.
FiddleFaddle 18:40, 18 August 2020 (UTC)reply
I've just added material from a reference in Campaign, an industry standard publication, seen as authoritative by those within and outside the marketing industry
FiddleFaddle 19:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)reply
According to the FT (in 2014), "Blue Focus [is] China's biggest listed public relations company and one of the fastest-growing communications groups in the world..."
[1]. Sounds like a company that we ought to have an article on. --
Malcolmxl5 (
talk) 03:23, 19 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Withdrawn by nominator: After going through the reasons mentioned in this AfD discussion and also as per the points raised in
WP:ANI, I would like to withdraw my AfD nomination and request concerned authority for quick closure. Also, I would like to apologize to the creator of this article
ImperfectlyInformed for unknowingly indulging in "personal attack" which has created an inconvenient situation for everyone in our community. Thank you all for guiding me and make me more aware of the rules which we all need to adhere, with absolute integrity. -
Hatchens (
talk) 06:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)reply
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