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The result was keep. I understand that AFDs about similar subjects have closed with a deletion but I see a consensus to Keep on this one and no support for deletion besides the nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 00:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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I could not fathom how else this person is notable besides winning Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers. Sure, he also appeared in Survivor: Winners at War, but he didn't win the season, and his gameplay hasn't received coverage outside recaps, especially by Entertainment Weekly. Also, he was medically evacuated twice in The Challenge: USA and The Challenge: World Championship. Outside Survivor, I don't see how else he is notable for his other activities, and I don't think medical evacuations from The Challenge would suffice, would it?
WP:PAGEDECIDE should apply if neither WP:BLP1E nor WP:BIO1E does. Furthermore, should be redirected to (preferably) Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers or (alternatively) List of Survivor (American TV series) contestants. George Ho ( talk) 22:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
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George Ho (
talk) 22:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Strongly disagree. I’m of the opinion that survivor winners are notable per se, but that in addition to his appearance in 40 perhaps the most important season and on other shows, in addition to being a marine and being a PTSD activist. I will boost article with more secondary sources but BD simply is a notable figure in American reality tv.
Volvlogia (
talk) 23:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
I’m of the opinion that survivor winners are notable per se
Sorry, Volvlogia, but at least ten (or more) articles about individual winners have been redirected per AFD discussions. Same for the Survivor: Panama winner. Furthermore, two articles about the winners of Survivor: Island of the Idols and Survivor: Marquesas have been deleted. Also, being PTSD-diagnosed can be already mentioned in the season page that mentions his win. George Ho ( talk) 00:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)- I disagree firmly with those deletions and anticipate their reversals.
Volvlogia (
talk) 02:47, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Wanna know the names of admins who made those decisions? You may contact them for reversal. Why anticipating?
George Ho (
talk) 03:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm able to articulate expectations without taking immediate actions to realize them. The long arc of the universe bends toward survivor winners. Why the snarky tone? My focus remains on BD, who is notable enough for a wikipedia article.
Volvlogia (
talk) 18:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- I apologize for making you perceive my tone to be... "snarky". That's not my intention. I was frustrated by repeated assumptions from others that being a one-time Survivor winner makes one person notable. Those assumptions were countered by AFD discussions, yet I see one like this lately. If I failed to convince you this time that my tone wasn't "snarky", then... whatevs.
- Anyways, in this case, merely reappearing in Winners at War has been proven insufficient, which led two articles into being redirected. Furthermore, being medically evacuated from The Challenge didn't save another article from being deleted. I'm not confident that both reappearing and two medical evacuations would suffice, especially for someone suffering from PTSD, but I can't change your mind further. Oh well.... George Ho ( talk) 20:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm able to articulate expectations without taking immediate actions to realize them. The long arc of the universe bends toward survivor winners. Why the snarky tone? My focus remains on BD, who is notable enough for a wikipedia article.
Volvlogia (
talk) 18:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Wanna know the names of admins who made those decisions? You may contact them for reversal. Why anticipating?
George Ho (
talk) 03:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- I disagree firmly with those deletions and anticipate their reversals.
Volvlogia (
talk) 02:47, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Strongly disagree. I’m of the opinion that survivor winners are notable per se, but that in addition to his appearance in 40 perhaps the most important season and on other shows, in addition to being a marine and being a PTSD activist. I will boost article with more secondary sources but BD simply is a notable figure in American reality tv.
Volvlogia (
talk) 23:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 16:46, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep article Not only Survivor winner, a controversial one who appeared again and also appeared on other shows (The Challenge for example). He is a notable reality TV personality Thecheeseistalking99 ( talk) 17:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:10, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. More participation here would help.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:44, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. The relevant notability guideline is
WP:NACTOR. Our threshold, accordingly, is
significant roles in multiple notable [...] television shows
. I'm not sure that being a contestant in a reality TV show is necessarily a significant role for the purposes of applying this guideline. However, in this specific case, it probably is, considering also that the two shows had only 18 and 20 contestants, respectively. I think we can somewhat safely say that NACTOR is fulfilled. Actualcpscm scrutinize, talk 22:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC) - Keep per Actualcpscm. Dfertileplain ( talk) 19:38, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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