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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 14:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Barry Habib

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Claims to notability:

1. Won a forecasting award several times - Looking into this, I'm struggling to find any secondary coverage that indicates this is something that people in the finance industry actually care about. It's produced by a specialised consultancy Gartner-style, but barring some extra indicator of relevance, I don't see that it has attracted significant media attention. The business/finance industry is full of promotional awards and pay to play nonsense, so my default take on this kind of thing is to discredit them unless there's specific evidence of secondary coverage.

2. Wrote a book - there is just no coverage of the book, and it is self published.

3. Had a reasonably successful career in entertainment, including some production credits and 2 minor named roles. I'm not sure that's enough though for WP:NACTOR. His production credits on Rock of Ages is looking very dubious - for example, here's an independent RS source that mentions most of the important people on the show and doesn't mention Habib - https://www.playbill.com/article/russell-brand-confirmed-for-rock-of-ages-movie-filming-begins-in-may-com-178224. I'm struggling to actually verify him as a "lead producer" on the show.


This is, of course, not withstanding the very very obvious WP:UPE issue which drips from the whole article in spades. BrigadierG ( talk) 12:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC) reply

After reviewing these concerns, we’ve made wholesale changes to Mr. Habib’s page to make it more compliant with Wikipedia standards, including more citations and less promotional tone. We’re happy to make further edits to any sections as required to ensure this page is not deleted.
In terms of these three specific comments, we have included multiple reference links to support Mr. Habib’s achievements and past experience in the mortgage and finance industries.
Regarding Mr. Habib’s book, Money in the Streets, it is not self-published. It was published by Savio Republic (an imprint of Post Hill Press) in 2020 as noted on their site ( https://posthillpress.com/book/money-in-the-streets-a-playbook-for-finding-and-seizing-the-opportunity-all-around-you) as well as Amazon and other bookseller sites.
Regarding Rock of Ages, we’ve included the link to the Playbill where Mr. Habib is featured as a Producer ( https://www.playbill.com/playbillpagegallery/inside-playbill?asset=00000150-ac7c-d16d-a550-ec7ec6af0004#carousel-cell198619) and also a link to this Wall Street Journal video where Dow Jones Newswires reporter interviews Barry Habib regarding his role as a Producer of the show ( https://www.wsj.com/video/investing-in-broadway-rock-of-ages/D86CF4A5-7099-4A44-897B-5518DC6F3E3D). Shellymbs ( talk) 21:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Interviews can't be used to prove notability. Book sellers don't prove notability. Who is this "we" commenting above, as it now appears to have unpaid promotional editing involved, which is a further concern... You must declare any conflicts of interest please. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Who is "we"? Are you being paid to edit this Wikipedia article? WP:UPE BrigadierG ( talk) 00:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:11, 14 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment I reported User:Shellymbs along with the large number of other socks/UPE SPIs over at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Amalloyz and they have all been blocked. BrigadierG ( talk) 17:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Per Oaktree b's reasoning. Pretty clear AUTHOR fail. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 13:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC) reply
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