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The result was move to Banish (disambiguation). ( non-admin closure) Kraxler ( talk) 16:41, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Banishment (disambiguation)
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Unnecessary disambiguation page. " Banishment" redirects to Exile. That page's hatnote should contain a link leading to the only article with the (almost) exact name, The Banishment. The other "entry" is a link leading to Banesh, a village in Iran alternatively spelled "Banish". " Banish" redirects to Exile as well, btw. Potential people looking for the film by its main word "Banishment" type in that word and end up at Exile, where they have to click on a link to take them to the dab page instead of directly to the article. People looking for the village by its alternate name type in "Banish" and end up at Exile as well, where they have to go to a dab page to finally get to the page they're looking for. Isn't disambiguation meant to direct readers to the desired page as quickly as possible? Raykyogrou0 ( Talk) 14:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep 6 valid entries (probably lots more), plus 3 very valid see alsos. Boleyn ( talk) 16:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: For those moving to keep, how is "Banishment" a disambiguation for "Banish" and "Banished?" Is a Persian speaker likely to have "-ment" as a suffix for "town?" I get that there is a movie called "Banishment," but that's the only actual disambiguation on the page currently. That's probably enough for a "keep," but those others are a bit lardy. Hithladaeus ( talk) 17:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment' Your above comment, Hithladaeus, is more an argument that the title should be Banish (disambiguation) (which redirects to the dab in question) rather than Banishment (disambiguation). With the page how it currently is, I'd agree, but not with the page as it was originally constructed. This dab is for the two similar words, Banish and Banishment, per WP:DABNAME: When a disambiguation page combines several similar terms, one of them must be selected as the title for the page (with the "(disambiguation)" tag added if a primary topic exists for that term). Putting similar terms on the one dab is quite normal, and in this case, nothing would be gained from separating to two dabs, or adding to the already distracting number of hatnotes at Exile. Boleyn ( talk) 18:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. As I said, having a movie by the same title would be an argument for "keep" anyway, so that's how it was looking. What you're suggesting is that we've got a dual dab with a hidden redirect. (That's also a reason why this might be a reason for this debate to not take place here. It's not really an article for deletion, is it?)
Hithladaeus (
talk) 19:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Why would the one entry be an argument for keep, since the hatnote at the page the term redirects to, Exile, would be sufficient? ps. it says at WP:DAB that AfD is the place to nominate these pages, so that's why it's here. Also, Boleyn kept insisting that was the way to go, so.. Raykyogrou0 ( Talk) 19:27, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. As I said, having a movie by the same title would be an argument for "keep" anyway, so that's how it was looking. What you're suggesting is that we've got a dual dab with a hidden redirect. (That's also a reason why this might be a reason for this debate to not take place here. It's not really an article for deletion, is it?)
Hithladaeus (
talk) 19:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- I only count 1 valid entry. The others will probably belong on Banish (disambiguation)--provided the two people with the last name "Banish" even qualify (which they don't), since WP:PTM states that articles on people should only be listed on a dab page if they are reasonably well-known by their surname. Those two "entries" don't have an article of their own. Might as well search people on Facebook for "Banish" and starting listing them. Should we also include some black people with the name "Banisha"?
- So to recap, one entry for an article that is ambiguous with the term "Banishment" and two entries for "Banish". Readers can easily be redirected to those pages with a hatnote on
Exile.
Raykyogrou0 (
Talk) 19:09, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'd also like to point out that
Banish (disambiguation) didn't redirect to this page until it was created about half an hour ago by
Boleyn.
Raykyogrou0 (
Talk) 19:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Of course, before I commented at the AfD I looked at ways to improve the page per
WP:ATD, bearing in mind that Disputes over page content are usually not dealt with by deleting the page, except in severe cases.
Boleyn (
talk) 21:20, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, I'd rather have redirected the page to elsewhere and put the one entry in the hatnote on Exile, but since you just revert everything and the discussion led nowhere I was left with no other choice. Raykyogrou0 ( Talk) 06:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Of course, before I commented at the AfD I looked at ways to improve the page per
WP:ATD, bearing in mind that Disputes over page content are usually not dealt with by deleting the page, except in severe cases.
Boleyn (
talk) 21:20, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'd also like to point out that
Banish (disambiguation) didn't redirect to this page until it was created about half an hour ago by
Boleyn.
Raykyogrou0 (
Talk) 19:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment This is a surname and dab page in one, categorised as such, like many dab pages are. Therefore the surname entries are clearly valid, and both meet MOS:DABMENTION. Boleyn ( talk) 20:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Rename to Banish (disambiguation) per the discussion above. Most entries on that page are known as "banish" and it makes more sense to use the root word. Other than that, this disambiguation is fine per Boleyn. Tavix | Talk 03:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Rename Banish (disambiguation), and banish the film to See also. A redirect hatnote from Exile to The Banishment makes more sense. Clarityfiend ( talk) 04:29, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment While were at it, shouldn't Banished be redirected to Exile and its entries merged to Banish (disambiguation) once it's renamed? Raykyogrou0 ( Talk) 06:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. Sounds like a good idea. It bothers me that there would be no directly linked articles (if Banishment were to be jettisoned). Clarityfiend ( talk) 15:43, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:11, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:11, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 02:56, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 02:56, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: Should the contents of Banished be merged into this? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:11, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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