The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. A clear consensus for deletion exists in this discussion. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:57, 29 July 2017 (UTC) reply

Axel Bergstedt

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WP:BLP1E. Appears to be mostly covered for one crime, and is borderline notable for his career. Mdann52 ( talk) 10:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 11:23, 21 July 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 11:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 11:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC) reply

• Draft: The article should be made a draft, immediately. Just reading one sentence makes me think it's not ready for the public: "having made the compositions of the children's musical Ronia", - "having made the compositions" instead of a simple "composed", then a link not the musical in question but the book on which it is based. This article is focused on the crime unduely. If we have to have an article on the person, translate the German one. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:03, 22 July 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete: The article is far away from Wikipedia style. The career has not enough notability. The second supposed crime is only an accusation and cannot be kept, because it is offending the rules of wikipedia in Biographies of living persons#People accused of crime: "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. For relatively unknown people, editors must seriously consider not including material in any article suggesting that the person has committed a crime, or is accused of having committed one, unless a conviction is secured." It seems that the brazilian contributor, who first posted these defamatory parts of the article in the portuguese wikipedia, is an personal enemy of Axel Bergstedt or his daughter. The first crime has been committed 22 years ago. The police, after some years, is cleaning the papers of a person, because a person has a right for rehabilitation. This has been recommended also for wikipedia, as written in the article about rehabilitation in the german wikipedia. So, I think, there is no reason for to keep the article. Ceyla de Wilka ( talk) 10:30, 22 July 2017 (UTC) reply

• Note. I have notified both the article and this discussion to the BLP Notice Board for further input. Regardless of the notability issue, there are aspects of the current content which in my view violate our policy on Biographies of living persons. Voceditenore ( talk) 15:02, 22 July 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete The BLP violations are too numerous to accept, and the use of Wikipedia's voice to assert facts which have not been found in a court of law is questionable at best. As far as I can tell, the person does not meet notability standards required by Wikipedia. Collect ( talk) 15:28, 22 July 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete. As the subject is insufficiently notable, fails WP:GNG. A WP:BLP1E case. Edwardx ( talk) 15:43, 22 July 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete per WP:BLP1E, which obviously had coverage in Hamburg where the murder occurred and some more when the person convicted absconded to Brazil and was eventually apprehended. But the article's subject is essentially only notable for having been convicted of that crime. If it were solely based on the subject's career as a musician and did not mention the crime, it would fail the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO pretty comprehensively. No major awards, no recordings with independent coverage, and a bit part in a non-notable movie. The participation in the heavy metal album The Time of the Oath is greatly exaggerated. He merely conducted the children's choir which sings on one of the tracks. He also composed a children's musical, which has received virtually no coverage that I can find apart from a recent production by a local school in Schermbeck, or mention of it in passing in articles about the murder. Voceditenore ( talk) 15:50, 22 July 2017 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.