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The result was keep without prejudice to a near-future relist. (non-admin closure) Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 18:23, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Avani Gregg
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Lack of reliable sources, lack of notability beyond having many followers on TikTok. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 04:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 05:04, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep Tentative keep: A quick google search shows a large number of non-self published sources (that are admittedly fairly low quality special interest publications)
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5],
[6]. As notability (artists) failed consensus, the closest guidelines I can see for this subject would be
WP:NMUSIC, which suggest that "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself" are notable, provided that they are not "Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves", or "Works consisting merely of trivial coverage, eg booking details", or "Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar), in most cases.". From this, and from the continuing secondary source coverage of the suspect, I'm tenatively inclined to support a keep for this article, despite the severe apprehensions I have about celebrity and e-fame articles in general.
BrxBrx(
talk)(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}}) 05:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment/question Out of curiosity - why do you think
Wikipedia:Notability (music) is most appropriate - because
TikTok is largely considered a music app?
CaffeinAddict (
talk) 05:26, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Reply Hi! I felt that the Wikipedia:Notability (music) was an appropriate guideline for precisely that reason. The other guideline that would apply IMO would be wp:author, but that guideline is rather sparse. There is no separate guideline for e-famous people yet either, so I just picked the one that seemed closest. BrxBrx( talk)(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}}) 06:16, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment/question Out of curiosity - why do you think
Wikipedia:Notability (music) is most appropriate - because
TikTok is largely considered a music app?
CaffeinAddict (
talk) 05:26, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:ENT. She has a large fanbase, a role in Chicken Girls, and an upcoming memoir through a reputable publisher. She's won a Shorty Award and was recognized by Forbes 30 under 30. This is all demonstrated in reliable sources: [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]. TJMSmith ( talk) 05:44, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep She's one of the most followed person on Tiktok. -- Deansfa ( talk) 03:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment This is established, does that make her article
notable in and of itself?
CaffeinAddict (
talk) 05:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- you disqualified yourself by pretending that a given subject with significant coverage including the New York Times and Forbes was
poorly sourced. There's really no point at trying to find coverage here since it doesn't matter to you. --
Deansfa (
talk) 14:55, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see why resorting to personal attacks is necessary - another user pointed out those articles may be sponsored content, rendering them unreliable - but that is on a different AfD. This is the AfD for Avani Gregg. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 16:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- you disqualified yourself by pretending that a given subject with significant coverage including the New York Times and Forbes was
poorly sourced. There's really no point at trying to find coverage here since it doesn't matter to you. --
Deansfa (
talk) 14:55, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment This is established, does that make her article
notable in and of itself?
CaffeinAddict (
talk) 05:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep There's only 1 piece of significant coverage from a source confirmed reliable:
Perez, Lexy (September 10, 2020). "TikTok Star Avani Gregg to Release Memoir". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved January 9, 2020.
There is also the situational Insider and the undiscussed Seventeen. If there isn’t any better coverage a while from now I would endorse another AfD. SK2242 ( talk) 16:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC) - Weak delete She was only in a few episodes of one season of Chicken Girls, and only one of the stars of this webseries has an article, so this acting role does not establish notability. Forbes names over 900 people to its various 30/30 lists every year, so this does not establish notability either. Nor does having a lot of followers. Reywas92 Talk 22:03, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep Seventeen and Hollywood reporter are notable publications, but a few more would have been better. Peter303x ( talk) 21:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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