The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Quite an odd case, but there certainly seems consensus that there is insufficient reliable sources to confirm the weapon's existence (and thus certainly notability). Normally I'd be reticent to enact salting without prior issues, but given the indication within this AfD of an ongoing issue of citogenesis, including by the article's original creator, I'll implement EC salting. Nosebagbear ( talk) 11:22, 25 April 2020 (UTC) reply

At aero 088

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Several users, including the original author of the article, have raised concerns that this weapon may not even exist. The article entirely relies on one source, which the author of the article themself says they're not sure is reliable (see Talk:At aero 088) - but as far as I can tell, there's no other reference to this weapon actually existing anywhere I can see. It's possible this was added as a sort of paper town-style attempt at preventing copying of the firearms book cited?

I'm including this in WP:GUNS' deletion sorting, and any commentary available from experts there would be appreciated. I'd also like to explicitly tag in the original author, Amendola90, for any contribution they can offer to the deletion discussion, as they presumably have access to the cited book. It's worthy of note that this article has been on Wikipedia since the end of 2008, and yet seemingly never been listed for deletion before, so it's possible that I'm missing something! | Naypta ^✉ opened his mouth at 09:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Firearms-related deletion discussions. | Naypta ^✉ opened his mouth at 09:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Hi, thanks for contacting me. For a short answer see the end of my comment. Though I still own the book, I do not have immediate access to it, but everything I have on this weapon is on Wikipedia. I had another user ask me about it in 2008 ( User:Moeron) as they couldn't find it in their copy of the book, but they never wrote back and have been offline since 2011 as far as I can tell. Lastly, as I wrote in the talk page, that book is rife with image mistakes, putting photos of certain weapons in place of other weapons with surprising frequency. It happened in this case too, as this weapon was in the explanation page for telescoping bolts with no other text attached, and it was represented with the image of an Steyr MPi 69. So ultimately the only thing I know of the weapon is that it's a machine pistol with telescoping bolt, that is if it even actually exists.

The fact that the page existed for so long might just be that it does have one reference, and is not very well connected, so no one happened upon it thinking it should be deleted. On that topic, as it has existed for a long time, several wikis and sites outside of Wikipedia have picked it up more or less wholesale. This means that some well intentioned person might try to recreate it in the future, using these Wikipedia clones as primary sources, so if there is some way to block this page or put up a notice after deleting, in case someone tried to recreate it, that would be good.

To summarize, the book I got this article from is very unreliable, and I know pretty much nothing on this weapon, not even if it exists. I'd be ok with deleting it. Thanks again, -- Amendola90 ( talk) 14:25, 18 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• Comment @Amendola90 yes, it's possible to prevent re-creation of an article by SALTing it. In light of the risk of the page's re-creation by a well-meaning editor, I !vote delete and salt. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 15:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC) reply

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